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Shelley

Certified Clinical Medical Assistant


Apr 18, 08 - 8:12 PM 		LPN didn't know "ORDER OF DRAW"

Yesterday at work one of the hospital phlebotomists
was called to the ER/clinic that I work in to do a
STAT draw. After the phleb. collected her tubes and left
one of the LPNs pulled me aside. She was within earshot of my conversation w/ the phleb. and asked me what "ORDER OF DRAW" meant! I was stunned. I got an
MA reference book out that I keep at the nurses station and showed her. She had no knowledge of this.
She is a seasoned 10 year LPN who I admire greatly.
But this blew me away!! Has anyone else had any other similiar situations? Just wondering.
heartsopenwide

CCMA-C


Apr 18th, 2008 - 11:23 PM 		Re: LPN didn't know "ORDER OF DRAW"

I am in nursing school, although I know "order of draw" because I went to MA school, no one else in my class does....RNS and LVNs are not taught specifically how to draw blood because they do not do this in the hospitals...there are phlebotimist to do this.
Shelley

Certified Clinical Medical Assistant


Apr 19th, 2008 - 12:03 AM 		Re: LPN didn't know "ORDER OF DRAW"

Thanks, that helped. The LPN joked she learned something new! Of course I learn many new things from her each day. Made me feel good about my education;
especially when she passed it on to the other nurse!
Jefff

SMA


Apr 20th, 2008 - 12:44 PM 		Re: LPN didn't know "ORDER OF DRAW"

IMO it is need to know. Most don't need to know so why clutter up the brain with that.

My other half is an RN the only reason she knows order of draw is they do labs on pts. on a regular basis, and techs or phlebs are not always available. So the RNs need to know order of draw to do the job. Before this she job she didn't need to know. They do order of draw a little differently, than we were taught, where she works.
PBT



Apr 20th, 2008 - 3:13 PM 		Re: LPN didn't know "ORDER OF DRAW"

If anyone is drawing blood,they NEED to know the order of draw. Otherwise they could easily mess up the results of a specimen,especially when it comes to a protime. In the MA class I was in it was never really taught. The rest didn't "get it" and the importance wasn't reinforced. So all these students went out into their externships just guessing at it. Same goes for vein selection. They had no idea the names and placements of the main arm veins and would just jab at whatever felt right. This is very typical of the average medical assisting class. I have met working MAs who claimed they were taught "phlebotomy" and yet when I asked if they know the names of the veins in the arm they go "Well,no".
Tracy

RN


Apr 20th, 2008 - 4:30 PM 		Re: LPN didn't know "ORDER OF DRAW"

They don't teach it in nursing school. We aren't even taught phlebotomy, only Iv starts. Rarely do we draw blood at a hospital, we have lab techs that do it. If anything we draw ABG's or draw off of central lines. There is a chart by the phlebotomy tray to reference to though.


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