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Re: Thoughts On Forgotten Lady

Thank you very much for your kind plug and comments, Ted! We all owe a debt to Martin for making the site possible and for letting other fine writers contribute their stories (in addition to sharing some of his own)

Yes, this has been my favorite non-Season 1 episode overall (and also a favorite of our dear Cass) because I have never seen a Columbo episode with a richer subtext of backstory in the characters as this one which makes its unconventional ending so poignant. John Payne (in his last role) really communicates a sense of total heartbreak when he has to realize that the woman he loved but never took the step for way back when has killed, so now he is willing to in effect make up for that by not letting Grace suffer in jail in her final months. And Janet Leigh, in addition to being so radiantly beautiful (Cass and I both couldn't say enough about that gown she wears at the beginning!) also is the only Columbo killer whose reaction to the detective's interrogation is different from all other killers. The first time we watch, we think she's covering up and leading him astray. The second time we watch, we realize this is a confused and frightened woman who is genuinely baffled by Columbo's whole questioning (and it is a beautiful directorial touch that we can literally spot the moment when the whole memory of killing Henry disappears from her completely).

And on the lighter side of things to appreciate, this episode is also a delight for fans of "Batman". Maurice Evans and Linda Gaye Scott, as the married butler and maid mark the only case where a former Batman villain (the Puzzler) ever appeared in another program married to a former Batman henchmoll! (Scott was the Riddler's henchmoll "Moth" in a Season 1 episode; ordinarily a very stunning woman she had to 'frump' herself up for this part). Another former Batman henchmoll, Francine York also appears in the episode too.

That said, I'll acknowledge there are some problems with the episode in regards to the clue. Grace could easily have explained the time factor by falling asleep when the film broke (it certainly would have been enough for "reasonable doubt"), but for me the bigger problem has to do with the fact that Raymond returns to change the next reel on schedule on time. Shouldn't he have arrived sooner because of the delay caused by the film breaking? This plot hole could have been fixed if the reel that broke had been the *last* one, because then it would have explained Raymond arriving early to see the final few minutes. As it is, it makes no sense for Raymond to be on-time with a reel change after Grace has committed the murder and fixed the film.

Even so, it's one Columbo I can never tire of watching, and thanks to Cass, I felt the inspiration to do that little fanfic piece that presents things "set right" for all parties concerned in another realm.

Re: Thoughts On Forgotten Lady

I haven't seen it in a long while, but speaking of "the lighter side," one visual moment that stays with me is the actor Ross Elliott giving that impatient look at Columbo's questions. (Any fan of the cult film Kelly's Heroes knows him from those weary looks he gave to Carroll O'Connor's character, so seeing him deal with Columbo is almost like an inside joke.)

Re: Thoughts On Forgotten Lady

The finest episode of them all in so many ways.

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I think Columbo has a decent circumstantial case against Grace, but I agree there is possible room for reasonable doubt.

I don't remember Raymond making any reel changes. I remember him occasionally stopping in to see if Grace needed anything, but I thought the idea was that the whole movie was on that one reel. I don't know if that is true to real life, or should I say "reel" life. Maybe prints of movies available for home viewing were done more cheaply and everything fit on one reel?

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He makes a reel change after Grace commits the murder. Movies back then always consisted of multiple reels and you couldn't have it all on one reel unless you had a giant sized projector.

Re: Thoughts On Forgotten Lady

Even apart from the reel changes, broken film etc, I've never understood how watching the movie on her own would have given Grace an alibi anyway.

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She technically didn't think she'd need an alibi since the idea was to make it look like a suicide based on the fact that the door was locked from the inside.

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I just watched this episode again last night (it has suddenly appeared on Netflix, along with all the other random episodes that they were holding back on). This plot hole occurred to me, too, and I was specifically watching for it. Immediately after Grace splices the broken film, Raymond does appear, presumably to change the reel. But we don't actually see him change the reel. He pops into the projection booth and then reemerges. In fact, he couldn't have--the reel would not have been at the end, because of the lost 15 minutes. So he must have noticed that there was a lot of film left on that reel still, and left and came back again a little later to change it. From that point forward, the reel changes would come at regular intervals again.

Why would he not think anything odd? Perhaps it was not unusual for Grace to stop the projector herself for a lengthy bathroom break every now and then.

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Yeah, it's an entertaining episode, and plot hole-forgiveness not withstanding, the stretch for me was in for as many times as he ran the film for Grace, that Raymond didn't notice that "Walking My Baby" was still running when Johnny Carson had already ended.