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Away From The Numbers

All good things come to an end. Or so they say. AFTN has been around since 1989, first as a fanzine and then making the jump to a website and forum in 2003. We've been through the many ups and down at East Fife in those 12 years but policing the forum has become a giant pain in the ass in recent years. As such, we made the decision not to renew it when it expired.

The forum is no more and will remain as a locked archive until it is eventually deleted by the host. We're looking in to try to save some of the content as an archive.

This is not the end of AFTN though. The site will continue and will be revamped and return in its full glory for the start of the 2016/17 season. Maybe even sooner. There will be a comment sections and possibly even a new, registered forum. Check our Twitter (@aftnwebsite) for all the latest info and we'll also post in on the EFFC memories Facebook page.

Until then, have a last browse here, thanks for all your support over the years, and 'Mon the Fife.

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John Robertson

IN MY OPINION, JOHN ROBERTSON SHOULD JUST GO HOME!!

Re: John Robertson

I agree, it's pretty cold outside.

Re: John Robertson

I think the time has come for this board to be restricted to registered users.

Re: John Robertson

I smell linoleum...

Re: John Robertson

When I say he should go home I mean he should resign as he hasn't really taken the club forward.

Re: John Robertson

Disgruntled Fifer
IN MY OPINION, JOHN ROBERTSON SHOULD JUST GO HOME!!


You're fast becoming a pain in the arse. I would recommend that you stop starting pointless threads or you will be banned.

Take heed.

Re: John Robertson

Kerriann
Disgruntled Fifer
IN MY OPINION, JOHN ROBERTSON SHOULD JUST GO HOME!!


You're fast becoming a pain in the arse. I would recommend that you stop starting pointless threads or you will be banned.

Take heed.


For not sharing your opinion? Thought we were able to express our views in this country....

Re: John Robertson

Disgruntled Fifer
When I say he should go home I mean he should resign as he hasn't really taken the club forward.


Don't we have more points on the board now?

Re: John Robertson

It seems to me unless someone loves the players and manager there views are regarded as pointless and stupid. The guys untitled to express his opinion without getting banned.

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Norman Farquhar
It seems to me unless someone loves the players and manager there views are regarded as pointless and stupid. The guys untitled to express his opinion without getting banned.


Exactly the opposite Norman. If someone expresses a view that he doesn't agree with a post that is in his view, unfairly criticisng a player, the team, the manager etc, it is he who gets lots of vitriol from these critics, because they themselves don't like to be criticised or challenged!

If you put anything on this forum, then be prepared to find out that not everybody agrees with you and there will be posts from others challenging your views, good or bad!

I don't understand why people like yourself are constantly looking to make life easy for those who constantly criticise just about everything to do with East Fife and then go on to complain about people who try to defend the club they support?

What is wrong with somebody disagreeing with any post, whether positive or negative?

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Jocky
Norman Farquhar
It seems to me unless someone loves the players and manager there views are regarded as pointless and stupid. The guys untitled to express his opinion without getting banned.


Exactly the opposite Norman. If someone expresses a view that he doesn't agree with a post that is in his view, unfairly criticisng a player, the team, the manager etc, it is he who gets lots of vitriol from these critics, because they themselves don't like to be criticised or challenged!

If you put anything on this forum, then be prepared to find out that not everybody agrees with you and there will be posts from others challenging your views, good or bad!

I don't understand why people like yourself are constantly looking to make life easy for those who constantly criticise just about everything to do with East Fife and then go on to complain about people who try to defend the club they support?

What is wrong with somebody disagreeing with any post, whether positive or negative?

ye jocky keep the game going..

Re: John Robertson

You are doing it again hoogers! Why didn't you make that same post after Norman's comment?

Re: John Robertson

I'm not really complaining about people criticising other users. I'm just stating that they shouldn't get banned for expressing there views whether it is positive or negative against the club.

Re: John Robertson

what fun would their be in a board where evryone agrees with eachother we are all entiteld to an opinion whether evryone agrees or not just beacause you dont like an opinion doesnt make it wrong

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bayview bob
what fun would their be in a board where evryone agrees with eachother we are all entiteld to an opinion whether evryone agrees or not just beacause you dont like an opinion doesnt make it wrong


are the players entitled to an opinion?

Re: John Robertson

of coarse they are m8

Re: John Robertson

As an avid Fife fan for over 40 years I am now sick to death of this site and wont be back on it.I would advise all true Fifers to do like wise as this site has now become nothing but a sick joke.

Re: John Robertson

cherio then dont let the door hit ure arse on the way out

Re: John Robertson

I feel that this has can off the topic and I would like to know if people agree with me that John Robertson should leave the club.

Re: John Robertson

if the stories are true that hes leaving at the end of the season then i think he should go now to give his replacement hopefully durie the rest of the season to get his ideas in place ready for a big title push next season

Re: John Robertson

The Board had an idea that Robbo would only be here till the end of the season and his task was to keep us up. He is doing a decent job with limited resources and a squad crippled with injuries so let him finish the job he has started. If jukebox is going to take over surely he is better learning from an experienced manager like Robbo rather than being left on his own making mistakes and maybe ending up relegated. Durie will know by the end of the season who he will want to keep and who can go so let's get off Robbo's back, let him lead the team to safety and get behind the team. We all want the same thing so let's work and support each other to achieve the best we can this season.

Re: John Robertson

i hear what your saying m8 but my thinking is give durie the experience now letting him start fresh next season with peterhead stenhousmuir + dumbarton in the league we wont get relegated this season

Re: John Robertson

Bayviewboy
his task was to keep us up.


Really ?? Surely not. I'd have thought they'd hoped he could get us 4th out of 10 (as a target anyway). We've been 'kept up' for the last 3 seasons including this one.

Fair enough on everything else you say.

Re: John Robertson

at this time of the season i dont think the fife can get a better manager on board.

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St Pauli Fifer
Bayviewboy
his task was to keep us up.


Really ?? Surely not. I'd have thought they'd hoped he could get us 4th out of 10 (as a target anyway). We've been 'kept up' for the last 3 seasons including this one.

Fair enough on everything else you say.

I'm sure his initial task was to ensure survival but obviously the target was to finish as high as possible and if that means the play offs then great but the run we were on under Craw made that difficult.

Re: John Robertson

I am afraid I don't think Gordon Durie should get the job next season but I do now think Robbo should see out the season.

Re: John Robertson

How anyone can post under Disgruntled Fifer this evening is beyond me.

Re: John Robertson

Fuxake, you have changed your tune!!!! Robbo out, now he is to stay and you now don`t want Durie next season?
Who would have thought we have just won today and are one place from a play off place.
Keep the negativity off this Forum.......And that`s rich coming from me I know.

Positive stuff only please....WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER.

Re: John Robertson

Disgruntled Fifer
I am afraid I don't think Gordon Durie should get the job next season but I do now think Robbo should see out the season.


Entitled to your opinion but you have already displayed how clued up you are on football matters, so I doubt it will carry much weight...

Re: John Robertson

Robbo has done really well - sorted out the defence and brought in players who have improved the squad.

Would love to see him and Jukebox continue next season.

Here's hoping....

Re: John Robertson

Disgruntled Fifer
I am afraid I don't think Gordon Durie should get the job next season but I do now think Robbo should see out the season.

disgruntled fifer or linno in disgise
either way you are talking total pish

Re: John Robertson

Gof. I think the true supporters have had enough of these anti East Fife threads. Please consider making registration compulsory. These idiots are jumping on the bandwogan resulting from the players statement. I know you want an open forum but these idiots are turning the players against the true supporters as we are all tarred withe same brush and they don't know who to trust. If you don't restrict these twats, the true supporters will stop posting and the site will then be used only by wind up merchants and eventually fail. I think that you are judging your site by the number of hits rather than the true supporters hits. I am not against critics, but this is now getting out of hand.

Please make us register to access the site.

Re: John Robertson

I know it's arsey but I loved Terry Wogans brother in your post FB!! What's Band up to these days?? Trying to follow Terry into TV, I heard!!

PS, hopefully I am not one of those you post about!!!

Re: John Robertson

Fifeyboab
Gof. I think the true supporters have had enough of these anti East Fife threads. Please consider making registration compulsory. These idiots are jumping on the bandwogan resulting from the players statement. I know you want an open forum but these idiots are turning the players against the true supporters as we are all tarred withe same brush and they don't know who to trust. If you don't restrict these twats, the true supporters will stop posting and the site will then be used only by wind up merchants and eventually fail. I think that you are judging your site by the number of hits rather than the true supporters hits. I am not against critics, but this is now getting out of hand.

Please make us register to access the site.


I'd say that there has been an increased number of 'extreme posters' on here lately, that is those folk who only do black and white, nothing in between. It's a minority of people though the effect is exacerbated by some of them using multiple usernames.

There's probably also an increase in folk having a go at each other rather than talking about EF, Div 2, football etc. This happens from time to time, for example when (a) EF have some bad results (b) the schools are on holiday (c) it's after 11pm on a Saturday night (d) rival clubs are doing well and a minority of their followers amazingly have nothing better to do than be on here pointing this out to us etc etc.

It seems to happen in waves rising up for a while then fading away when these occasionals get fed up and wander off. Personally, I find it kind of tedious but respect their right to be on here.

I don't really give their views sufficient credence that they would ever even bother me. Rather, I just ignore them and go off in search off a thread that is of interest to me.

It can be a bit of a pain to trawl through that stuff BUT THE ONE THING I THINK WOULD BE A HUNDRED TIMES WORSE would be a sterile thou-shalt-not-stray-from-the-party-line forum where all posts are strictly vetted to ensure that no-one's sensibilities would be troubled, no meaningful debate took place and everyone was scared to put a point of view across for fear of being banned without given reason.

While I understand the pros of registration, I have on balance always been against it and nothing that has happened on here recently (or ever) has changed my view on this. I doubt if it would make much difference anyway to be honest.

I think we would lose the people who like to pop in and post occasionally but wouldn't bother with registering (a recent example would Black&Gold 4Eva with, I thought, a great post the other night - would that post ever have been made on a registration site)?

I fear the forum might end up with a dozen 'glass-half-full-at-all-times' posters and those wind-up merchants who are so intent on doing their thing that it's worth it to them to register (then get banned and then re-register from another IP address).

All we'd lose would be those who have a more balanced view. I also think registration and vetting encourages cleeks.

I think the forum does self-regulate fairly well as a rule although this has been tested lately. In fairness the player reaction and the media coverage have played a part in creating an 'unusual' situation of late. One thing's for sure - the media interest will just as quickly go away again - probably as soon as Neil Lennon has his hair dyed blue or Walter Smith buys a new cardigan or such like.

Anyway, just another point of view.

Re: John Robertson

I have already expressed my views but do accept that registration may deter the occassional posters who have a vilid contribution. Everybody who has an interest in EF should be allowed to post exactly what they feel about individual players or team performance but an open forum allows cretins with no interest in EF a high point in an otherwise sad lonely life. My opinion, for what it is worth, is that anonymous criticism is worthless. Anyone who feels strongly enough about their point of view should be prepared to put their real name to it.

Re: John Robertson

Fifeyboab
Gof. I think the true supporters have had enough of these anti East Fife threads. Please consider making registration compulsory. These idiots are jumping on the bandwogan resulting from the players statement. I know you want an open forum but these idiots are turning the players against the true supporters as we are all tarred withe same brush and they don't know who to trust. If you don't restrict these twats, the true supporters will stop posting and the site will then be used only by wind up merchants and eventually fail. I think that you are judging your site by the number of hits rather than the true supporters hits. I am not against critics, but this is now getting out of hand.

Please make us register to access the site.


Fifeybob you are just playing into their hands. If you just ignore and not reply to the negative wind up posts they will drop away.

Of course there will always be those who will say so and so had a terrible game, made a goal losing error or just didn't like his face. So what, it always happens. But it is the response to the inappropriate remarks that generate the friction that grows into the sort of publicity generated this week. In fact the players' statement is also the way to continue to inflame the situation. After all who are they to say what opinion or dislike of a player I should have!

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unregistered poster

Fifeybob you are just playing into their hands. If you just ignore and not reply to the negative wind up posts they will drop away.

Of course there will always be those who will say so and so had a terrible game, made a goal losing error or just didn't like his face. So what, it always happens. But it is the response to the inappropriate remarks that generate the friction that grows into the sort of publicity generated this week. In fact the players' statement is also the way to continue to inflame the situation. After all who are they to say what opinion or dislike of a player I should have!


"who are they to say what opinion or dislike of a player I should have![ "

I trust you are jesting, but if not and I was the player that was the subject of the recent unwarranted post about Hissy, I would do my damnedest to find out who you were and confront you, possibly ending up giving you a pasting, if you didn't apologise to me!


And for you to blame those that respond to inappropriate remarks for creating the friction, that just beggars belief?

Re: John Robertson

Negative posts happen and always will. Registration will kill AFTN.

FB - yourself and Jocky don't seem to like anyone who dares criticise East Fife. We can't ban people on that basis. It creates debate and mostly these people are shot down by other posters. It doesn't make them bad people or not true supporters, it just means they have a different opinion from you.

I would never slag off a player or even the club in public as I think it most definitely does affect them BUT I respect the right of anyone who feels different.

Re: John Robertson

Registration changes nothing. I have over 10 email addresses I could use to sign up as whoever I want. Once they get banned, I could create more.

For everyone who wants a registration forum. You already have one. It's on the official site. It's also not used.

It has nothing to do with number of hits on here. I never ever check those stats (just on the main site and blog). It's about ease and the fact that people can decide to post under a funny user name any time they want.

Re: John Robertson

Of course I do not like to see East Fife criticised, but I do not respond to every criticism. The ones I tend to respond to are those that are ones that I see as quite unfair criticism and the likes of those that we have seen in the past couple of weeks that have been totally out of order.

As you know, I have had my issues with SPF and Fat Doug, but they put some valid points over (once in a blue moon ) and I leave them be often.

It has to be said that some posters will target certain individuals in the team, the manager and the board/shareholders, without even having met those people at a personal level and some of the comments are simply out of order and often a figment of their imagination, surmising this and that, when in fact the reverse is often the case. There can be no doubt that SPF cannot see any positives about Robbo for instance, he was shouting him down before he even took over the managers job and has continued to lobby on this site for him to stand down!

To me, the answer is that the moderators have a responsibilty to monitor the site and make decisions to remove posts/threads or even ban some posters when the line is obviously crossed.

I am not saying that SPF's comments have ever needed to be removed by the way. He knows the line that should not to be crossed, even though I do not agree with most of his criticism.

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Jocky
Of course I do not like to see East Fife criticised, but I do not respond to every criticism. The ones I tend to respond to are those that are ones that I see as quite unfair criticism and the likes of those that we have seen in the past couple of weeks that have been totally out of order.

As you know, I have had my issues with SPF and Fat Doug, but they put some valid points over (once in a blue moon ) and I leave them be often.

It has to be said that some posters will target certain individuals in the team, the manager and the board/shareholders, without even having met those people at a personal level and some of the comments are simply out of order and often a figment of their imagination, surmising this and that, when in fact the reverse is often the case. There can be no doubt that SPF cannot see any positives about Robbo for instance, he was shouting him down before he even took over the managers job and has continued to lobby on this site for him to stand down!

To me, the answer is that the moderators have a responsibilty to monitor the site and make decisions to remove posts/threads or even ban some posters when the line is obviously crossed.

I am not saying that SPF's comments have ever needed to be removed by the way. He knows the line that should not to be crossed, even though I do not agree with most of his criticism.


The problem is defining a post that "crosses the line". Opinions on this will vary wildy.

Re: John Robertson

As with every other forum, we must trust and respect the moderators decisions. If anybody is not happy with that, then they know what to do. Use another forum!

Re: John Robertson

Robertson's made a few really good signings in McCulloch, Park and Wallace. 'If' he were to stay long term, next season and beyond, that would change everything for me. Aye, I wasn't keen on him getting the job with some bizarre team choices and performances but my main bugbear (more than anything) was that he wasn't/isn't going to be here after May.

Re: John Robertson

Kerriann
Negative posts happen and always will. Registration will kill AFTN.

FB - yourself and Jocky don't seem to like anyone who dares criticise East Fife. We can't ban people on that basis. It creates debate and mostly these people are shot down by other posters. It doesn't make them bad people or not true supporters, it just means they have a different opinion from you.

I would never slag off a player or even the club in public as I think it most definitely does affect them BUT I respect the right of anyone who feels different.


SPOT ON

Re: John Robertson

GoF
Registration changes nothing. I have over 10 email addresses I could use to sign up as whoever I want. Once they get banned, I could create more.

For everyone who wants a registration forum. You already have one. It's on the official site. It's also not used.

It has nothing to do with number of hits on here. I never ever check those stats (just on the main site and blog). It's about ease and the fact that people can decide to post under a funny user name any time they want.


YES I AGREE 100 %

Re: John Robertson

I would like everyone to know that I have only the clubs best interests at heart.