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What being an East Fife fan is all about

I, for one, have enjoyed this season. East Fife does not have the crowds / financial resources to survive in Division One. All it can offer is some excitement, some reasons to be cheerful (plus occasional reasons to moan or get moody) and games that have goals and talking points.

Apart from a couple of games recently, all our matches have featured goals, some quite a lot.

I don't pay £13 each week to watch us win the League, just so we can lose most of our games next year. I pay my money to get some 'crack' with my pals and this season Craw and JR, together with all the players lambasted by others in these forums, have given us plenty to talk about.

Ups and downs, downs and ups - that's East Fife Football Club. Has been for years. Bring it on!
(P.S. - Don't shoot me for having an opinion!)

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I just felt that this post deserved to be given its own thread. It's what its all about and after the turbulent week (partially to blame), i feel its a good way to come together.

Cmon the Fife!!!!

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It was a great quote.

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Quote - Black&Gold 4eva
I don't pay £13 each week to watch us win the League, just so we can lose most of our games next year. I pay my money to get some 'crack' with my pals and this season Craw and JR, together with all the players lambasted by others in these forums, have given us plenty to talk about.


I could not disagree more. If I was told that for the rest of my life, East Fife would never again play at a higher level than they find themselves today, I would give it up now.

I can get the crack with my pals any time I like. Although it is good fun to have a laugh while at the same time watching your team win - and personally I love a drink before or after the match - East Fife is a football club, not a social club. If you want a blether or a bit of banter without the disappointment of defeat, try the pub.

Maybe my mind is failing me, but I have never before come across a football fan who doesn't want his team to be the best it can be. If we were to lose more games in the First Division, why is that a problem? Would you not get even more satisfaction from those games that East Fife win? By this logic, we'd be as well dropping into the Third Division on the basis that we might win more games there than we do in the Second Division. This is verging on the mentality of the fans who travel the lenth of the country to watch Celtic or Rangers because they only want to see their team win.

Whether we could survive or not in the First Division is a moot point, but I look with envy at Cowdenbeath's amazing win at Stirling Albion yesterday. They might or might not survive, but they are bankrupt compared to East Fife and despite that they have shown us what can be done. They beat Dundee this season. Last time we beat Dundee? 1974.

Sorry guys, but I wish I had not read 'What being an East Fife fan is all about'. It's a sentiment I don't recognise, and I hope I never will.

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Well said,Supporter!!

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Supporter
Quote - Black&Gold 4eva
I don't pay £13 each week to watch us win the League, just so we can lose most of our games next year. I pay my money to get some 'crack' with my pals and this season Craw and JR, together with all the players lambasted by others in these forums, have given us plenty to talk about.


I could not disagree more. If I was told that for the rest of my life, East Fife would never again play at a higher level than they find themselves today, I would give it up now.

I can get the crack with my pals any time I like. Although it is good fun to have a laugh while at the same time watching your team win - and personally I love a drink before or after the match - East Fife is a football club, not a social club. If you want a blether or a bit of banter without the disappointment of defeat, try the pub.

Maybe my mind is failing me, but I have never before come across a football fan who doesn't want his team to be the best it can be. If we were to lose more games in the First Division, why is that a problem? Would you not get even more satisfaction from those games that East Fife win? By this logic, we'd be as well dropping into the Third Division on the basis that we might win more games there than we do in the Second Division. This is verging on the mentality of the fans who travel the lenth of the country to watch Celtic or Rangers because they only want to see their team win.

Whether we could survive or not in the First Division is a moot point, but I look with envy at Cowdenbeath's amazing win at Stirling Albion yesterday. They might or might not survive, but they are bankrupt compared to East Fife and despite that they have shown us what can be done. They beat Dundee this season. Last time we beat Dundee? 1974.

Sorry guys, but I wish I had not read 'What being an East Fife fan is all about'. It's a sentiment I don't recognise, and I hope I never will.


Where did he say that he didn't want his team to be the best they can be?

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Fife Fan
Where did he say that he didn't want his team to be the best they can be?


I would suggest it is the bit where he says "I don't pay £13 each week to watch us win the League, just so we can lose most of our games next year."

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Supporter
Quote - Black&Gold 4eva
I don't pay £13 each week to watch us win the League, just so we can lose most of our games next year. I pay my money to get some 'crack' with my pals and this season Craw and JR, together with all the players lambasted by others in these forums, have given us plenty to talk about.


I could not disagree more. If I was told that for the rest of my life, East Fife would never again play at a higher level than they find themselves today, I would give it up now.

I can get the crack with my pals any time I like. Although it is good fun to have a laugh while at the same time watching your team win - and personally I love a drink before or after the match - East Fife is a football club, not a social club. If you want a blether or a bit of banter without the disappointment of defeat, try the pub.

Maybe my mind is failing me, but I have never before come across a football fan who doesn't want his team to be the best it can be. If we were to lose more games in the First Division, why is that a problem? Would you not get even more satisfaction from those games that East Fife win? By this logic, we'd be as well dropping into the Third Division on the basis that we might win more games there than we do in the Second Division. This is verging on the mentality of the fans who travel the lenth of the country to watch Celtic or Rangers because they only want to see their team win.

Whether we could survive or not in the First Division is a moot point, but I look with envy at Cowdenbeath's amazing win at Stirling Albion yesterday. They might or might not survive, but they are bankrupt compared to East Fife and despite that they have shown us what can be done. They beat Dundee this season. Last time we beat Dundee? 1974.

Sorry guys, but I wish I had not read 'What being an East Fife fan is all about'. It's a sentiment I don't recognise, and I hope I never will.


That is the best post I've read in years.

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Jim P
Well said,Supporter!!


Excellent, couldn't have put it better myself. Well maybe I could if I sat down and really thought about it but I can be arsed.

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Agree with everything Supporter said

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Aww nae f@#$ing doot!!!!!!
Even when a positive thread goes up, it starts a divide and then the usual half dozen 'oh i totally agree' posts shortly follow. The poster was trying to sum up what supporting East Fife is like from a personal perspective. He wasn't necessarily saying he wants us to get pumped every week, nor was he implying that he does not dream of promotion. Christ it was meant to show a bit unity from the fans.

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My thoughts are.....if Cowdenbeath can do it, then so can anyone.

I would LOVE to see East Fife in the First division. I'm sure if we were to be promoted, our attendences would increase.

Although, watching East Fife getting beat every week is like watching someone pump your wife infront of you.

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There will be some junior supporters who have only known East Fife in the bottom two divisions. Even if it were only for a season, wouldn't it be great to say 'I remember when East Fife were in the First Division'?

At least these junior supporters will always have this possibility ahead of them, sadly, I cannot invent a time machine and bring back Ross Graham.

Re: What being an East Fife fan is all about

Stephen
My thoughts are.....if Cowdenbeath can do it, then so can anyone.

I would LOVE to see East Fife in the First division. I'm sure if we were to be promoted, our attendences would increase.

Although, watching East Fife getting beat every week is like watching someone pump your wife infront of you.[/quote


If Cowden can do it!?
We only took two points from them last season and i can't remember the last time we beat them or any of the locals in the league!!
I would love to be back in the first division cause i agree it would be good for the new generation of fifers to experience it. But i remember our campaign :(
BIGGEST HOME WINS - DUNDEE/PARTICK 6 V 0 FIFE,
BIGGEST AWAY WINS - FIFE 1 V 7 DUNDEE
P W D L GF GA GD PTS
36 2 8 26 28 92 −64 14

Sorry for the recap but its a mental scare (assisted by Wikipedia).

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More to do with Jimmy Bone than anything. How many points did Archibald get us in his handful of games compared to Bone ?

Everybody is as well packing it in if you can't aim to be in the same league as Cowden, QoS and Ross County because you 'might' get hammered every week.

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St Pauli Fifer
More to do with Jimmy Bone than anything. How many points did Archibald get us in his handful of games compared to Bone ?


7 points from 10 games (4draws/1 win)
Oh how i wish for another Stevie Archibald team :(

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The first division is far weaker now than it was when we were last there. Cowden have a chance of staying up (remember they lost their manager and a few players after getting promoted) and a team with a number of part time players (Raith) are on the verge of winning the league.

It would be a pretty hopeless situation if we could never think about promotion from this league and trying to compete in the first division.

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i dont think the 1st is a league we should be scared of or not dream of being in its full of crap liek cowden stirling morton and ross and the linnos are top for gods sake we would easil ysurvive if we went up probavbly finish 5th

What being an East Fife fan is all about

Snarf
The first division is far weaker now than it was when we were last there. Cowden have a chance of staying up (remember they lost their manager and a few players after getting promoted) and a team with a number of part time players (Raith) are on the verge of winning the league.


Raith have only three part time players one of them a keeper

we would easil ysurvive if we went up probavbly finish 5th


You wouldn`t finish 5th

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Had to come on when I found out I (kind of) sparked this thread.

I don't disagree with the 'opposing' views here - you go to EFFC for your own reasons, I go for mine.

I love seeing East Fife win. I watched every home match when we got promoted in 1970-71. I went to every home and away game the next year and was at Motherwell when we escaped relegation on the last day (and sent the Pars down). I was there when we finished 9th in the old First Division and also when Burnley skelped us in the Texaco Cup. I was there against Queen's Park in 2003 and again at 'Shire in 2008. Unfortunately, I was also there when we went down. The day Ayr relegated us by winning 1-0 at Bayview was one of the worst. My friends and fellow supporters shared these moments with me.

My point is that I love East Fife - so do many of those who disagree with my view. Unfortunately, on the thread where I originally posted, I saw a lot of posts from people who do not seem to share that feeling. No matter what has happened to EFFC over the years, I have always backed them and never attacked the players or manager (though I did take a dislike to JD Broon....).

We will always moan, but let's not get the 'Old Firm' attitude where we spout hate towards players whenever we feel like it. EFFC is a Community Football Club. We will never again have the fanbase to challenge the league leaders like we did in the early 50's. Please, just enjoy what we do have, like I do.

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One man treats it like a sentimental hobby another treats it as a passion

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wanting to join the other Fife teams
One man treats it like a sentimental hobby another treats it as a passion


Jeezo, leave the guy alone. He's told you his experience of following the Fife and what it means to him.
I agree with him. If you choose to support clubs like ours then don't expect it not to be a tough journey with as many lows as highs. When we beat Hibs in 1984 and won the league in 2008 it was all the sweeter because of the hard times that had preceded it.

Nothing of value was ever gained without a struggle.

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wanting to join the other Fife teams
One man treats it like a sentimental hobby another treats it as a passion


Naw! The guy doesn't treat it like a 'hobby', read his post. And I bet the other guy who treats it like a 'passion' hasn't followed the club like the 'hobby' guy has!!!

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Black&Gold4Ever
Please, just enjoy what we do have, like I do.


Asking for no malicious posts and negativity is one thing (and fair enough), but telling fans 'how' to support their team is ludicrous.

Each fan will have their own expectations and hopes for East Fife, which have nothing to do with anyone else.

I, for one, don't expect to challenge Rangers and Celtic like in the 50's. I do expect us however to challenge same-sized, or even lesser clubs like Cowdenbeath, Brechin, Queen of the South, Stirling, Ross County, etc etc.

That's my hope for East Fife.

Forfar can go second in the league (coming up from the 3rd with a threadbare squad and a longer weather break than us) Cowden can survive another season in the First after coming up from the 3rd.

We've no excuse.

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I think the chap (Black&Gold4Ever), was simply saying that supporting East Fife means taking the good with the bad and that maybe there would be more of the good, if there was more positive support.

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You have to be an eternal optimist supporting clubs like the Fife. At the moment we are under severe financial restraints, that's why I personally believe that we the supporters have to help in any way we can. I know others disagree and we have been ove thi before. As for clubs like Forfar, Brechin etc, they are doing better due to financial windfalls in there cup runs in recent years. We know that Forfar had some godd runs, although a good few years ago it still as enough to set them up to pay off some debts and build a squad for the following seasons. We did go to ibrox with Archibald in the cup and that helped n our push to the 1st division but bad management and the ne stadium caused further financial problems. A cuptie against the old firm (away) would make a major difference to our prospects, especially a sky game. This is what I hope for every season in the cups. Even a run in the Alba cup with a live final is reletIvely lucrative. There is always hope that we can progress to the 1st division but with ten teams even fulltime football would not gaurantee survival. Our best bet would be a larger Premier league with larger 1st and 2nd divisions instead of a 3rd division. I know it's tough, but I f you love your club, just like marriage it has to be through "thick & thin"

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St Pauli Fifer
Black&Gold4Ever
Please, just enjoy what we do have, like I do.


Asking for no malicious posts and negativity is one thing (and fair enough), but telling fans 'how' to support their team is ludicrous.

Each fan will have their own expectations and hopes for East Fife, which have nothing to do with anyone else.

That's rich coming from a latent communist who doesn't believe in any other opinion than his own.

Who'se your hero yah communist pig; Joe Stalin?

You have been brought up as a child of that c**t Tony Blair and that means that you don't have a mind of your own.

Consult The Gruniad before you respond - yoos cannae think fur yersel' - FACT.



I, for one, don't expect to challenge Rangers and Celtic like in the 50's. I do expect us however to challenge same-sized, or even lesser clubs like Cowdenbeath, Brechin, Queen of the South, Stirling, Ross County, etc etc.

That's my hope for East Fife.

Forfar can go second in the league (coming up from the 3rd with a threadbare squad and a longer weather break than us) Cowden can survive another season in the First after coming up from the 3rd.

We've no excuse.

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St Pauli Fifer
Black&Gold4Ever
Please, just enjoy what we do have, like I do.


Asking for no malicious posts and negativity is one thing (and fair enough), but telling fans 'how' to support their team is ludicrous.

Each fan will have their own expectations and hopes for East Fife, which have nothing to do with anyone else.

I, for one, don't expect to challenge Rangers and Celtic like in the 50's. I do expect us however to challenge same-sized, or even lesser clubs like Cowdenbeath, Brechin, Queen of the South, Stirling, Ross County, etc etc.

That's my hope for East Fife.

Forfar can go second in the league (coming up from the 3rd with a threadbare squad and a longer weather break than us) Cowden can survive another season in the First after coming up from the 3rd.

We've no excuse.

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To me it is a passion,a love affair,for years it was the only reason I got up to go to work so I could afford to watch them,and buy their strips etc.

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It seems that whatever you say in an email, different people will read it whatever way they want!

I'll try to be clear - As some have said, I posted a personal view, which you are entitled to agree or disagree with. The reason I posted it was because rather than enjoy supporting the Club, many posters on other threads seem to simply enjoy attacking the Club and other supporters for not agreeing with them.

Please note:
1. I really don't care why you pay your entrance money, so long as it is not to damage the Club or its reputation.
2. I would never dream of dictating my view of supporting on others. If you like a good moan - fine - so do I at times. Please, just don't get the 'hump' and attack players, other fans etc. in an aggressive manner on here.
3. I am glad that this thread has had far less personal abuse or aggressive opinion posted than on many others. It has also caused a number of fans to be open about what they really feel for the Club.

For those reasons alone, this thread has, purely in my humble opinion of course, achieved something positive.