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Anyone have anything to say about the scandalously high taxation and national insurance (ZUS) charges a permanent resident in Poland has to put up with?
Is it any wonder that most businesses operating in Poland don't declare most of their earnings?
What is all this governmental income spent on ?
I'm not 100% sure but it paid for my uncle's funeral Hans. I assume it also "pays" for the health service. If you go to a health farm it reduces the amount you have to contribute because it should make you less likely to be ill. At least this is why my aunt went. It was quite a large discount I think.
Most Polish businesses do not keep books. Foreign investors are often presented with books that look like a high school accounting homework.
Most of Poland’s budget is spent on welfare and benefits. PiS has gone out of the way to keep their ‘base’ happy
Non-payment or large-scale avoidance is understandable with ultra-low tax allowances and 30% or 40% tax + huge ZUS payments with even barely liveable incomes before tax.
Why I wonder should hardworking people in Poland work and earn to keep some lowlife in alcohol? Or pay ZUS insurance for a pension he himself will never receive; and to enable some 50 year old government employee who has 'retired' early (most of whom still continue to work!) to live off of your hardearned money.
Down with PiS and their leech-like supporters!
Yes but Hans you have to remember that until 1990 everyone was a government employee. Are you saying that those who lived through the trials and tribulations of communism should now also be deprived of their meagre pensions? It's not the fault of those who are now retired that they were stuck with a system that hasn't given them the right skills for 21st C living.
I'm saying that they should retire at the same age as everyone else.
PiS = 1930s style National Socialism
... without the work ethic!
Please explain how was all this better two or three years ago? Seriously I'd like to learn.
Hans is correct. Good analogy :)
Lilka, PiS led government unraveled most reforms by previous governments, halted privatization, expanded unemployment benefits (which cost us money, and I say this as an American paying taxes to Polish government), and politicized every office from your local dog catcher to the central bank.
Instead of taking advantage of EU subsidies, export boom and foreign investments to reduce deficits, these jackasses increased unwarranted social spending to keep their voters happy. Guess what – we’ll be paying for it for years to come because EU piggybank won’t last forever.
And please tell me how were things better 3 years ago? There are more do-nothing jobs and beaurocrats (only now they are completely incompetent), with exception of handful of schools education blows, and corruption is worse than early 90’s.
PiS set Poland back. Makes me sad cause I truly love the country.
I know nothing about money. It surely looks like that from your pint of view.
I myself cannot sense any difference moneywise.
"Or pay ZUS insurance for a pension he himself will never receive; and to enable some 50 year old government employee who has 'retired' early (most of whom still continue to work!) to live off of your hardearned money. "
Yeah well I could feel the same about National insurance contributions in the UK Hans. I think in a way zus makes more sense in that they pay for things like funerals and give you reductions for trying to improve your health. That sort of thing could make more people in the UK give up smoking and go to the gym.
My uncle who died last year worked hard all his life after wwii ruined his chances of a decent education because my grandfather died so as the eldest he had to go out to work. Communism meant he worked in Nowa huta for many years. Of my mum's brothers he is the only one who never married, so I thought it was nice that at least he had a good send off care of zus.
What you portray as populism is what I'd rather call social justice. The state is not there to protect the welfare of some minority (businessmen?) that would be oligarchy. Crouds of people were deprived of their rights to decent life in the name of modernisation of economy. Hundreds of thousends of factory workers lost their jobs "thanks to" abrupt privatisation ending up in winding up of enterprises, crouds lost their jobs in PGRs (state owned farms), those people lived where they worked so they were left in the middle of nowhere, away from towns or cities where they could hope for some job. All those changes were painful, and that would be O.K. because the were to pay in the future... but they haven't. At least not to those crouds of abandoned. Not for more than 15 years.
This could be the time to change the approach.
The "plebs" that some of you people refere to here so often are citizens of Poland and they deserve something better from Poland than to sucryfice for 4x4 cars and weekends in spa for the minority.
Dla podkreślenia moich słów tupnę nóżką!
That's fine. Then you are a socialist, Lilka.
But then why did you vote for a national socialist party, as Hans has probably correctly labelled PiS?
Why not a purely socialist party?
The current Polish government has become a laughing stock around the world with their anti-gay, anti-everything, jingoism.
The last SLD Polish government didn't have this negative image outside of Poland.
Are people who care about the welfare of others all socialist? Britain has had a strong welfare state since WWII through successive tory and labour governments but nobody considers it a socialist country.
"The current Polish government has become a laughing stock around the world with their anti-gay, anti-everything, jingoism."
This I would agree with. Luckily governments do not last forever.
Having said that, these are mere trivialities. There must be something they are doing well. Every government gets moaned about in my experience. Does anyone have any positive experiences as a result of this administration?
Yes! The president is nice to his Mum.
Well in my experience people moan about blair now, people moaned about major people moaned about thatcher. People like moaning about the government. Doesn't matter who is in power someone out there will hate them. It's not easy running a country but it's easy ruining one.
The big difference is that Poland is the only country in Europe with a religious fundamentalist socialist government! Keeping afloat only on EU funds and the money brought in by one million+ working in the UK and Ireland.
"The big difference is that Poland is the only country in Europe with a religious fundamentalist socialist government! Keeping afloat only on EU funds and the money brought in by one million+ working in the UK and Ireland."
100% accurate and depressing.