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Celebrating 100 years of scouting in Poland

I thought this is an interesting celebration because the Polish scouting movement in Poland was connected to communism during the post-1945 era and was shunned by many. I wonder what the attitude is now?

Apparently (so I heard the other day), the Scouts in Poland are affiliated to the world scouting movement, but the massive international Polish scouting movement outside Poland is not (because it wasn't affiliated to the Scouts in communist Poland). Not sure if any members are actually aware of how big the international Polish scout movement is, particularly in the UK, US and Canada. Possibly difficult to affiliate as Scouts abroad still have to pledge allegiance to God and country. I think in the UK it's now non denominational (although I'm not sure how that works with church service which my friend who was a guide leader used to have to do).

I'm curious as to whether those in mixed marriages outside Poland send their kids to Polish scouts/guides?


http://www.poland.pl/news/article,Celebrating_100_years_of_scouting_i
n_Poland,id,284459.htm

The Museum of Scouting at the southern Polish city of Kielce is the
venue of an exhibition celebrating 100 years of the scouting
movement in Poland. The display focuses on the beginnings of the
scouting tradition, which came to Poland in early 20th century.
'We wanted to show how it was possible to transfer the idea of
scouting to Poland,' said the museum director Katarzyna Traczyk. She
stressed that Poland was one of the first countries to undertake the
idea of scouting.

The exhibition will be on until the end of September and it is
accompanied by a display of military compasses, organized by the
National Museum in Kielce and the Tadeusz Kosciuszko Foundation in
Cracow. One of the most valuable exhibits is the pair of compasses
belonging to Tadeusz Koœciuszko which had been brought by him to
America.

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A few years ago i tried to start an English language English style scout troop in Poland. I was told very strongly by 'Harcerze' no way, The International scout movement couldn't help without approval of the poles. Great shame, had about 40 very eager kids and parents.

now back in the UK, I am very involved in scouting, assistant leader and soon to be leader of a troop of about 50 kids. I found scouting in the Uk and Poland very different.

As you rightly say 100years of scouting this year and the world jamboree just up the road from me!

I hope I can arrange for some Polish scouts to come over and see how much better scouting is in the UK, maybe the pressure would get them to change and modernise a little.

Ania I am not having a dig, honestly. Just Polish scouting needs to changed before they start loosing members.

Re: Celebrating 100 years of scouting in Poland

A few years ago i tried to start an English language English style scout troop in Poland. I was told very strongly by 'Harcerze' no way, The International scout movement couldn't help without approval of the poles. Great shame, had about 40 very eager kids and parents.

now back in the UK, I am very involved in scouting, assistant leader and soon to be leader of a troop of about 50 kids. I found scouting in the Uk and Poland very different. Yes we do still have God and the queen in the pledge

As you rightly say 100years of scouting this year and the world jamboree just up the road from me!

I hope I can arrange for some Polish scouts to come over and see how much better scouting is in the UK, maybe the pressure would get them to change and modernise a little.

Ania I am not having a dig, honestly. Just Polish scouting needs to changed before they start loosing members.

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There is a huge Polish scouting movement in the UK Dajwid - why dont you get in touch with them instead? They have links with the UK scout movement but I am not sure about their links (if any) with Poland because of the history.

I remember as a child "zuch" having a day out with English Brownies which was great fun. It's very organised and very popular with teens in Polish communities as it's great for socialising. Obviously it's also really positive (both English and Polish scouts) in terms of keeping teens occupied productively and out of trouble.

I have no opinion about the scouts in Poland itself as I have had no contact with anyone who was a member. I know it was hugely unpopular with many due to it's links with commies.

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"Yes we do still have God and the queen in the pledge"

oh I thought they were talking of doing away with the religious element a few years ago as it upset the sensitivities of other faiths....I guess if you take away one you have to take away the other as the Queen is head of the church.

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"Yes we do still have God and the queen in the pledge"

Good to hear. With no apologies, God should never be removed from that.


Glad to see leftist revisionists havent taken over English scouts

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It becomes a bit tricky when you have to do church service with your scouts and half of them are muslim or Jewish or atheist. My mate was in this situation as a scout leader in a part of London with a diverse ethnic population she had hardly anyone to do church services with her.

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Overall isn't the scouting movement overwhelmingly Christian? I can't imagine islamists, hindoos, sikhs and others wanting to be scouts in large numbers.

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Unbelievable!

This PC nonsense is sickenly absurd.

At leset the Daily Mail is there in support of traditional EUROPEAN Christian values .

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haha I knew you would love the daily mail bit

Re: Celebrating 100 years of scouting in Poland

Yes, an interesting article.



"This type of action is making people, including me, less tolerant to foreigners who come to this country.

- Mike May, Egham"


This comments is very true. A backlash against these minorities is brewing all over Europe. PC brigade beware.

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Yes but technically what you are pro in the UK is what you are anti in Poland isn't it Hans.... :)

Re: Celebrating 100 years of scouting in Poland

The Catholic church is something else entirely. However, I've never been a fan of ass-licking colored immigrants. They are alien to European culture and we would all be better off without them. My message to them would be 'it in or ship out'!

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'fit in or ship out'!

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"It becomes a bit tricky when you have to do church service with your scouts and half of them are muslim or Jewish or atheist."

NO WAY. Is this a fact? Muslim scouts??

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Our local cub scout and scout groups are 100% white.

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"NO WAY. Is this a fact? Muslim scouts?? "

You are not surprised at Jewish or atheist scouts the?

Kids hear about the scouts at school or somewhere and want to join. So their parents take them along and scouting rules say they can join if they want. Otherwise it goes against discrimination legislation.

These are kids we are talking about remember. They see something they like and they want it too. They don't understand all the crap adults go on about.

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Not all Muslims are the same.

After spending a few years working in child protection services, l came accross SLs and ASLs (Scout Leaders and Assistant Scout Leaders) all too frequently. They're supposed to be sorting that problem, but they still have a problem.

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Unfortunately anywhere you get jobs with kids you get such "people" showing up and tricking their way into jobs near their prey.

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Very true - people who want to abuse children will determinedly seek out opportunities to be near them.

And there are thousands of Scout Leaders in the world, the vast majority of whom are entirely and absolutely trustworthy with children.

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"You are not surprised at Jewish or atheist scouts the?"

No. Why would I? They are part of our Western (judeo-christian) culture. Muslim culture encompasses an entirely different belief system.

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So does atheism.

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Well who would want godless communists in the scouts anyway

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The Polish scouts in Poland did for 50 years which is why they were unpopular, hence odd that they are celebrating the scouting movement there....

And we're back on subject - excellent!

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Judaism, Christianity and Islam are the three monotheistic, Abrahamic faiths, and remember that atheism is an entirely European, Islamo-Judeo-Christian invention. And I doubt many 11 year-old scouts are communist, Godless or otherwise.

But, back on topic, the Scouting movement is international, for many years accepting children from many faith backgrounds. It has declined in numbers over the last few years, as have the alternatives, Boys' Brigade and Woodcraft Folk, with children increasingly becoming pasty couch potatoes.

Perhaps it's time for a revival within the scouting movement.

People tell me they supervise their children much more closely nowadays, preferring them to be sat at home rather than being outside having adventures. Perhaps scouting is an answer to this.

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In the Uk Scouting has had a masive make over. Uniforms are now better, Cubs and beavers have tshirts and sweaet shirts caps and berets have been replaced by baseball caps. Scouts have uniform but informal clothes too. Just have a look at the scouting sites

http://www.scouts.org.uk/

Here is the polish site that has very recently been changed to have a more modern image.

http://www.zhp.pl/index.php

I spent ages last week trying to get a polish friend's daughter to join the scouts in the Uk, she refused as she had already attended for a short time in Poland and found it to be 'Too religous'.

In the UK apart from the 'god' in the promise religion is kept well out of it.

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And if it weren't for the Babylonian exile of some Jews, the plague of radical montheism would never have developed. The exiled Jews became radically montheistic in a way the non-exiled bunch never were and this utter rejection of foreign gods later informed Christianity and Islam.
In passing, Christians were persecuted by Rome because they were viewed as striking at the heart of mutual respectful, peace-loving, pluralistic paganism.

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"with children increasingly becoming pasty couch potatoes."

This is very true.

I was thinking that most children today wouldn't be very interesed in scouting.

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"I was thinking that most children today wouldn't be very interesed in scouting"

It still seems to be very popular in the Polish community in the UK where it has a better image than the English counterpart which is considered uncool.

Needs a change of image in the UK. Child abuse allegations have not helped....

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The help at scouts I needed 2 references, CRB check and an interview with local leader and now with the area leader and 3 others.
As for it being uncool we have no free places at all in Beavers, cubs and scouts, we have a waiting list for new kids.

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When I worked in Child Protection, I should have had police checks each time I moved to a new office or got promoted. They never happened, except for right at the start.

But it's true, the Scouting Movement has worked very hard on this issue.

It does seem though, that fewer children are getting involved in outside, organised activities, fewer are going to school by bike, fewer are left to their own devices. The world is changing for the worse.

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It's great that scouts are popular in your area Dajwid and I hope that's a sign of a change of heart among English kids. I think the new uniforms helped the image a great deal when they were introduced.

I think in general scouts are a great way to keep kids happy and occupied. It would be a shame if the kids from ethnic minorities felt they were not welcome because they probably need it most and it would benefit future society in the UK to accept them and give them some self respect.

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Most immigrant families come to the UK from ex-Empire countries, where Scouting is very strong. And it's a great way for kids to learn about responsibility to society, especially when followed by the Duke of Edinburgh awards scheme.

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We have a few ethnic minorities although there are very few in my area anyway.