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Polish Hooligans

Any thoughts or reactions to the knuckleheads who rioted during the football match in Lithuania? Was UEFA too strict with Legia, or not strict enough? I read in one account that the Polish head of Euro 2012 said such things won't happen as the stadiums will be designed better. What does stadium design have to do with fans keeping themselves from rioting during a sporting event? What is it with football and riots?

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This was news to me, but then I'm not a football fan. For those in the dark, like myself, here are a couple reports of the news.



VILNIUS/WARSAW - The Lithuanian and Polish football communities were in shock on Monday after Polish fans stormed the pitch during a UEFA Intertoto Cup match in Vilnius on Sunday.


‘It was terrible: The Polish hooligans wanted to destroy everything,’ Valdemaras Kundrotas of the Lithuanian Football Federation told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.

‘I’ve never seen a scandal like it. We’ll make sure that none of the bandits whom we identify will ever set foot in a stadium again,’ added Leszek Miklas, president of Polish side Legia Warsaw.

The trouble happened in the first leg of the second-round tie between Legia and home side Vetra Vilnius. At half-time, with Vetra 2-0 up, several hundred Legia fans stormed the pitch.

‘There were hundreds of them, maybe 2,500. The police fought them with rubber bullets and tear gas,’ Kundrotas said.

‘I’m shocked that people from a civilized country could behave like this. They’re savages who can’t live in a normal society - they have nothing in common with real fans,’ Miklas added.








VILNIUS (Reuters) - Poland has apologised to Lithuania after Legia Warsaw fans went on the rampage during an Intertoto Cup match against Vetra Vilnius, the prime minister's office said on Tuesday.

"The Polish prime minister (Jaroslaw Kaczynski) apologised to (Lithuanian Prime Minister Gediminas) Kirkilas for the inappropriate behaviour of Polish football fans during the match in Vilnius on Sunday," Kirkilas's office said.

Lithuanian police had to use tear gas and water cannons to try to disperse the Polish hooligans in a fight that lasted for about 30 minutes during the second round, first leg match.

The game, the first leg of a second round tie, was abandoned at halftime with Vetra leading 2-0.

The repair bill for the stadium has been estimated at about 21,000 euros (14,236 pounds) after advertising panels, seats, gates, portable toilets and TV cables were vandalised.

The incident occurred just 10 weeks after Poland were awarded the right by UEFA to co-host the 2012 European championship with Ukraine and could have wider implications.

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Another report:

Polish fans detained after Intertoto violence in Lithuania

VILNIUS (AFP) - Twenty-six supporters of Polish club Legia spent a night in jail in the Lithuanian capital after a violence-marred Intertoto Cup match against Vetra Vilnius was halted at half time, police said Monday.

Thirteen supporters of the flagship Warsaw side had already been arrested by Lithuanian police ahead of the second round first leg match Sunday, while the same number were detained on charges of hooliganism and resisting arrest.

Four Vetra fans were also arrested, police said.

One Lithuanian supporter was taken to hospital with knife wounds, and two police officers were treated for slight head and leg injuries.

With Vetra leading 2-0 after 45 minutes, several hundred of the estimated 2,500 visiting fans invaded the pitch after the half-time whistle.

The Poles threw missiles at the police, and ripped up advertising hoardings to protect themselves from the law enforcement officers' tear gas and baton charges.

Police forced the Legia supporters out of the stadium, and Vetra fans were asked to remain inside the ground for security reasons.

European football's governing body UEFA was expected to punish Legia for its supporters' behaviour, following an investigation, officials said.

Polish supporters -- and Legia fans in particular -- have a reputation for violence.

Last year, Legia hooligans fought running battles with police in central Warsaw and ransacked part of the Polish capital's Old Town to celebrate the club's league title.


http://www.soccerway.com/news/2007/July/09/polish-fans-detained-after-intertoto-violence-in-lithuania

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Ban Legia from international matches - simple.

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The Polish fans take a pride in being boorish. I was sitting ouside a bar in Nowy Świat yesterday and three football supporting gamma-males came in, fat and sweaty, each of them. They were drinking beer and shouting (in that specific Poland way that has evolved to allow voices to outshout each other in village arguments). They were singing songs with vile, racist lyrics, slobbering kebab juice down their pale, clammy faces, shouting "Heil Hitler" (mispronounced ), shouting "SS,GKS", shouting smut at female passers-by and doing Nazi salutes. God knows what they'd have started shouting had they been sober and intelligent enough to realise it was a gay bar.

When Thatcher threatened to make football play without the audiences, maybe she was on the right track. Or just make the games season-ticket, all seating only, to put it financially out of such people's reach.

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"God knows what they'd have started shouting had they been sober and intelligent enough to realise it was a gay bar."



Thanks man. That's too funny.

Couple of years ago a business associate of mine (American, HUGE soccer fan) convinced me to go to a Legia game while in Warsaw. It actually wasn’t that bad.

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This story brought to mind a debate from over 25 years ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RP2xarcSEW8

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Why do we get fans rioting during footie games in Europe, but nobody riots during american football or baseball games in the states?

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It's a violent sub-culture thing born out of the peasantry needing to revolt. The US never had a coherent disaffected peasantry.

That, and the Americans would shoot them dead.

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“The Right to Bear Arms”

Works every time

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"Why do we get fans rioting during footie games in Europe, but nobody riots during american football or baseball games in the states?"

It appears Americans are more civilized than Europeans

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Why do you need bare arms?

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It’s the Second Amendment to American Constitution.

It means in America you can legally carry a weapon to defend yourself.

I know grannies who drive around with loaded glocks in the US.

Where I live permanently (Central Florida) I don’t know many people who don’t own a gun.

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Why do people take my dumb remarks seriously ...?
Bare, bear ... oh well, no-one ever appreciated my weak sense of humour /sulks/

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Shouldn't the location of the Euro 2012 be reconsidered? A laughable decision, anyway.

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NO!
Lot's of consultants'jobs depends on it ...

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lots (Oh I just hate mistakes like that!)

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In repsonse to Another Ania's question about not hearing about American sports riots, it is easy. There aren't any, at least there are VERY FEW incidents, and I don't think they qualify as riots. Especially compared to the number/frequency of violence at football matches around the world.

Of course there are boorish fans at American sporting events. Of course there are drunken fans at American sporting events. Of course fans have been known to do offensive things at American sporting events. But full scale riots? I have never heard about this. The worst you hear about is a drunk running onto the field or fans getting angry and throwing snowballs rubbish onto the field (beer cups and food wrappers).

Maybe MikeC can back me up on this, but for the most part sporting events of all levels (kids, high schools, college/university, and pro leagues) are generally considered family events. In fact most stadiums have designated areas especially for families. People are not allowed to bring in their own food or beverages, and the sale of alcohol is pretty well controlled with sales usually terminated about two-thirds of the way through an event.

Security is much better at stopping problems before things can escalate as well. I have seen drunks and boors escorted out of events, generally with everyone cheering for the security guards. I've seen idiots shouted down by other fans.

In short, you don't hear about violence at American sporting events like you hear about violence at football matches (internationally) because it just doesn't happen. This current baseball season the worst incident of fan violence was a drunk running onto the field in Chicago. He got to within 15 meters of the player when he was tackled by security. The fan will be banned from baseball games and I believe is being charged. The worst episode of violence in the last ten years was at an NBA game in Detroit. Fans taunted players and someone threw a half-full cup of beer at one of the players. The PLAYERS then went into the stands and started a brawl.

So things do happen. But full scale riots with thousands of fans? Never. People being crushed to death? Not a one. Brawls (again involving thousands) between supporters? Nope. Watchlists of fans who are banned? Nope. Police escorts of the opposing team's fans? Never even a thought.

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"Maybe MikeC can back me up on this, but for the most part sporting events of all levels (kids, high schools, college/university, and pro leagues) are generally considered family events. "

Ah this explains it - more women and children present. Must be the testosterone-charged atmosphere at Euro footie that leads to violent clashes.

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UK rugby matches never attract hooligan fans - they are all busy killing each other on the pitch as part of the game.

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"Maybe MikeC can back me up on this, but for the most part sporting events of all levels (kids, high schools, college/university, and pro leagues) are generally considered family events. "

100% accurate. Plus as far as college sports, almost everyone in attendance is either in college or an alumni. Hence you get a totally different caliber of people than you would at your average European soccer game.

Also, many (if not most) season tickets are company-owned at professional sporting events.

I will however say that most Buffalo (NFL) fans are a bunch of peasants.

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"UK rugby matches never attract hooligan fans - they are all busy killing each other on the pitch as part of the game. "

Perhaps rugby fans have less testosterone....

By the way, don't they put something in the water in the States to make people more docile?

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A film about football hooligans in Poland