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Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

WARSAW, Poland: Poland's election next month could see all but three parties ejected from parliament and leave former communists holding the balance of power, according to a poll published Thursday.

Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski's conservative Law and Justice party has 29 percent support, just behind the 31 percent for its main rival, the center-right and pro-business Civic Platform party, according to the GfK Polonia poll, published by the daily Rzeczpospolita newspaper.

The survey put support for the Left and Democrats, a center-left bloc dominated by ex-communists, at 8 percent — and said it was the only other party that would clear the 5 percent threshold required to win seats to parliament.

Such an outcome could leave the Left and Democrats as kingmakers. However, it remains to be seen whether either Law and Justice or Civic Platform — both of whose ranks are filled with former anti-communist dissidents — would be willing to link up with the left.

An alliance between Law and Justice and Civic Platform is also widely viewed as possible, although relations between those parties are strained.

Law and Justice came to power in 2005 pledging to fight corruption that flourished under the previous government, which was led by former communists.

However, Law and Justice fell well short of a majority and formed a shaky coalition with two smaller, unpredictable populist parties — the right-wing League of Polish families and the agrarian-based Self-Defense.

That coalition collapsed last month, leaving Kaczynski running a minority government and prompting him to opt for an early parliamentary election, two years ahead of schedule. The vote will be held on Oct. 21.

The GfK Polonia poll found support for both of the former coalition partners below 5 percent. It said another small party that has been a junior partner in past governments, the Polish Peasants Party, also would drop out of parliament.

Such results would mark a sharp change. Since the fall of communism in 1989, small parties typically have been able to gain influence far beyond their numbers by joining governing coalitions.

The GfK Polonia poll questioned 985 people from Sept. 7-9. It gave no margin of error, but such polls generally have margins of error of about plus or minus 3 percentage points


http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/09/13/europe/EU-POL-Poland-Election.php

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

It would be good for the little parties to die a horrible death!

It would still be a strange set-up though.
Think about it in UK terms:
PO - Conservative Party
PiS - Liberal Party with muscular Christian propaganda and kneejerk xenophobia and homophobia
The Commies - Conservative Party with kneejerk love of miners and corruption.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

PiS - "Liberals"

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

Yup.

They don't really like free market economics, are willing to pander to pressure groups regardless of overall direction of policy ... they are interventionist but not socialist.

The difference being PiS love to be politically incorrect way beyond the point where it ceases to be acceptable.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

has this made it to an inbox near you?

http://luckycrown.ovh.org/news.php?readmore=1182

(i've got it twice, so far)

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

errr - what is it? (before I open)

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

A picture of old Polish women wearing berets. Buraks as Hans would say.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

Yes, in a democracy the old have a vote too.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

The point is to use your vote or this type of old woman will vote for you. The PiS / LPR vote is supposedly largely made up of such women. And younger, more educated types apparently don't vote in Poland.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

Clair
Great, best thing I have seen in weeks!

Vote or they will vote for you!

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

Its the infamous 'mohair brigade'. Rydzyk's foot soldiers. Some call them the Taliban

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

Let's insult everyone we don't agree with, that way we get a reasoned debate.

Intellectual fascism of the most condescending sort.

And if the young and educated don't vote, isn't that indicative of their interest in public life?

Democracy is a participation thing - that's why the anti-democratic southern USA stopped black voters registering for decades.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

The image:

Old peasants wearing berets

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

And you can easily judge the quality of a person by seeing how s/he treats someone lower down in the perceived social hierarchy.

Scorn isn't a value I cherish. This image, while funny at first glance, is pretty damn insulting if you could manage to turn your brain cells on for a moment.

In fact, you could exchange the image for any age/ethnic/social/stereotype group you want, depending on your geographical location and level of culture.

Why not have a group of black men dancing instead? or perhaps secretaries coming out of the office, or fat Jews leaving the synagogue ...

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

What's insulting about it?

It's a photograph of what look like uneducated old women.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

The sort of old women who's main interest in life is to scorn anyone different to themselves.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

whoa, guys ...

i'm a middle-aged, fat, red-haired, short-sighted, left-handed, working-class, Irish, female, adult human.

there. that's my dose of judgemental adjectives on the table so maybe we can get them out of the way.

for me (for various reasons) this is a *scary* picture. these people will vote, conscientiously, /warning, sweeping generalisation ahead/ for a Certain Party.

if you don't want that Certain Party back in power, it's time to make sure you bother to vote. If you don't vote ... don't moan.

and now, back down behind my parapet
claire

p.s.
forgot 'chocolate-addict' in that list

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

OMG - you're not ... left-handed, are you??

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

to revert to my natural language,
".. it wasn't bate outta me early enough ..." /cough/

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

It was beaten out of my eldest brother by his teachers.

Re: Poland's election could leave only 3 parties in parliament

"And you can easily judge the quality of a person by seeing how s/he treats someone lower down in the perceived social hierarchy.

Scorn isn't a value I cherish. This image, while funny at first glance, is pretty damn insulting if you could manage to turn your brain cells on for a moment."

I can assure you Varsovian that those pictured do not share your tolerant beliefs

And therein lies the problem...