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Re: Communist Era: Dealing with the devil

" I never understand why people blame Churchill for the the iron curtain. Britain sold out to America during the war. That was the big turning point and the end of the empire. The "special relationship" was formed. "

The thing is, they (not just Poland, the French are often the same) don't like blaming the Americans who ran the show both politically and economically by the end of the war. They'd rather pretend to believe that somebody else let them down. The truth is often hard to face.

Re: Communist Era: Dealing with the devil

Very clever Jon. All right, I can’t give a short answer here, so here it is.

Given the fact that it was President Wilson who called for the creation of large independent Poland in 1918 and the fact the British delegation fought the idea with everything at their disposal you can surely understand why Poles were always skeptical towards alliance with the British. Years later British leaders gave Czechoslovakia and Austria to Hitler and cheered the idea as “Peace for our Time”. 1939 justified Polish skepticism towards alliances with the British entirely.

FDR was controversial at home, to say the least, and unfortunately he had more socialist tendencies that any other American President. He set the record for the amount of government programs created during his tenure, not to mention he endorsed the idea that people can look to big government for solutions, which was as alien to Americans at the time as freedom of speech in Russia. The point is he was sympathetic towards Stalin. The real American heroes (and freedom fighters) of the 2ndWW were Patton, Eisenhower, and MacArthur. Had General Patton and Eisenhower had their way American and Allied troops would keep on rolling all the way to Warsaw.
Truman was also eager to appease Chinese commies and recalled MacArthur from Korea. It is noteworthy that’s his approval ratings were at record lows when he was leaving office and haven’t been matched since. Luckily Eisenhower got elected and restored real leadership.

History has shown time and again the appeasement does not work – Varsovian’s original point.

Re: Communist Era: Dealing with the devil

CLASSIC Patton quote:

"The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic, and therefore thinks deviously. We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinese or a Japanese, and from what I have seen of them, I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them. In addition to his other amiable characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and they are all out sons-of-bitches, barbarians, and chronic drunks."

General George Patton