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700 Speed Cameras - large new investment

Yes, you heard it from me first.

Along with the new roads come the new technology designed to raise cash.

The road budget will go up 100% next year, but the effects will be felt only in 2010.

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Pretty pointless. Most Polish drivers slow down to the legal 50 or 60 kms from the usual 90/100 kms within 100 metres of the camera and then speed up to the usual speed when out of range of the camera. Happens in exactly the same way at all three of my local speed cameras.

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But it did catch one evil mother-in-law I know!!
Not mine - she's nice

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If they've any sense, the new cameras will include an average speed system - two cameras a known distance apart that calculate your average distance over the whole route.

The one on the M26 in England frightened me last time I saw it, but it works! Traffic rolling at a steady 65mph all the way.

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I was in England a couple of weeks back. Drove there and back through Dunkerque. Absolutely staggered by the number of cameras everywhere now. Even cameras designed to catch those with no tax disc.

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and cameras linked to an insurance database ...

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ANPR - Automated Number Plate Readers. Insurers now have to notify DVLA iabout a car's insurance details, so the camera takes all its info from there (about the car) and sends the standard fine for processing.
One was placed at the top of Dover Hill; police parked a car at the bottom for a week - quickly put a clamp down on all those uninsured untax unMOT'd jalopies that make their way to Poland for parts...

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Oh, and a better route to the UK these days is Oostende-Ramsgate. Dual carriageway to the M2, no Dover traffic, 100km closer to Poland and a fair price (35pounds each way.) The 4-hour trip isnt particularly luxurious, but if you've done the rest of the trip in one day it's a welcome respite. And no speed cameras when you get off.

No, I don't work for TransEuropa ;)

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quickly put a clamp down on all those uninsured untax unMOT'd jalopies that make their way to Poland for parts...

How true.

My local garage (in Poland) is chockablock full of this UK regsitered junk. The people who work there also drive them about the town. Still registered in the UK, no tax, no insurance, no MOTs, Polish drivers. They can't legally be registered here as they are right handdrive.

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"Oh, and a better route to the UK these days is Oostende-Ramsgate. Dual carriageway to the M2, no Dover traffic, 100km closer to Poland and a fair price (35pounds each way.) The 4-hour trip isnt particularly luxurious, but if you've done the rest of the trip in one day it's a welcome respite. And no speed cameras when you get off."

Thanks for the tip .

I'll drive over again in the summer.

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You can legally register RHDs here; just take a look at the classic car collectors. I've seen a wonderful right-handed Vanden-Plas 1300 in warsaw with the yellow classic car plates on.

Unfortunately, police in neither country know how to deal with the situation. English coppers ask for documents, don't receive them and provide a 7-day producer, knowing full well the car will be in Poland by then. Polish police, on the other side, don't know about MOTs or road tax, and the culprit only has to pretend to be English for the Police to decide "this'll cause too much paperwork, be off with you."

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"but if you've done the rest of the trip in one day it's a welcome respite"

I've a friend in the Netherlands, so normally stop off there, making the trip a two dayer - from Poland to the ferry.

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You can legally register RHDs here; just take a look at the classic car collectors. I've seen a wonderful right-handed Vanden-Plas 1300 in warsaw with the yellow classic car plates on.

That's very interesting.

I hadn't thought about using the 'classic' status registration as a loophole. Any idea how old the car has to be to qualify as a classic?

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I looked into registering a RHD car in Poland. In the end I gave up.

I got a bit of advice from the British Consulate. Apparently there used to be a procedure for registering them, but due to abuse it was stopped.

Now it seems the only way is to acquire some kind of waiver from the minister for transport (or some such) - which sounds nigh on impossible.

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Rolling 25 years, but it has to be something like 98% original, which may or may not even include the original documents (like Owners booklet and similar.) The other upside is that it qualifies you for a 50% insurance discount here as well, but the test costs 500zl and it's VERY rigorous. An aftermarket stereo is enough to fail the car, in some cases.

I've got a 1982 Audi Coupe ;)

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aha.

That's quite good news. So ... next year I could buy a UK registered 1983 Land Rover 110, drive it back and register it as a classic here.

Who does the test?

My father-in-law works at the MOT (or rather Polish equivalent) test station

Is it the same place?

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Sosh,

You're right, with a non-classic car it's nigh on impossible. The steering wheel has to be on the left to pass the yearly safety test (MOT eq.), and a car can't be registered, get number plates, and insurance without this.

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Simon - I know, believe me I have spent a lot of time looking into this! About a year ago I had a RHD 1982 saab 900, and was told by many sources that there was no way of registering it without the RHD>LHD conversion. I thought this would be too much effort, and sold it to someone who did eventually get it converted (he also failed to get it registered without the conversion).

Rich - when did you get this classic test done? I wonder if it is something that has changed recently?

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My car hasn't been through the test, but I contribute to a classic car mag here, so the info is readily available. It's not a normal Stacja Pojazdu that does it, it has to go to some local Ministry to be fully checked out. And there's no way my car would pass - wrong wheels, broken this and that, upgraded electrics to replace shonky 1980s wiring faults... they'd pick up on all of it.

Most of the info can be had here if your Polish is good enough:
http://www.weteranszos.pl/index.php?s=read_news&nwsid=126

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It's not a normal Stacja Pojazdu that does it, it has to go to some local Ministry to be fully checked out.

What a pity!

I still might go down the classic car registration route though.

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"Even cameras designed to catch those with no tax disc. "

"and cameras linked to an insurance database ... "

where are these cameras and what do they look like? Oh, and who on earth has the time to examine the footage...?!

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Under most bridges on motorways; fixed next to the road; high up on poles; on buildings; mobile. Some of the se cameras are very small. Britain is the Big Brother state of the EU.

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"Britain is the Big Brother state of the EU."

Yet all this technology does not seem to stop or solve crimes. Maybe the people watching are asleep.

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"Oh, and who on earth has the time to examine the footage...?!"

Ania, there's some wonderful machines called "computers" these days; you might even be near one right now!

ANPRs have to be marked and visible, just like normal speed cameras under English traffic law. They can read the licence plates of 4 lanes of traffic moving at 80mph.

Poland would probably need a centralised drivers and vehicles system to make it all work properly, but that would mean firing all the useless fat old women who currently warm the seats of your local ratusz.

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"Ania, there's some wonderful machines called "computers" these days; you might even be near one right now!"

Very funny. Someone has to design a software programme that actually works. If computer systems in government departments were that great and so well thought out, we would not have any problems with untaxed cars.

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There isn't a problem with untaxed cars in that sense. Via its computer system, the DVLA knows exactly which cars are untaxed, and a tax reminder/ SORN notification (Statutory Off-Road Notice) is sent out in the month the tax runs out on the vehicle. If no form is returned within a certain period (the SORN or a new tax disc) then you are automatically fined by the DVLA, and if you still won't pay, the baillifs are sent round. In certain situations and for repeat offenders, the police will also be involved and the car will be destroyed. Police forces around the country did a massive operation this summer on that very matter, which is why you dont see any more old Ford Escorts or Vauxhall Astras on the UK streets.

However, no computer can track whether someone drives around in an untaxed car until it goes through a computer camera - hence, ANPRs.