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Re: Memo From the Poland-Germany Border

Fair enough Mike C... How you any facts to support your claim that real estate is worth more in Poland than the old East Germany..??

Re: Memo From the Poland-Germany Border

evidence?? It's a market condition...east Germany along Polish border is poor and depopulated…go on the Polish mls and compare prices..there are more and more listings on the german side.

Cheaper for many Poles to live on the German side and commute to work.

Re: Memo From the Poland-Germany Border

"but it is doubtful if the Germans will ever respect Poland and its people. "

I think they will at some point. Many still don't at the moment but I hope that changes. Germans and Poles have very different temperaments. Although there is much overlap in the cultures, there are also many differences.

"Those Germans who fled advancing Red and Polish armies got exactly what they deserved"

I don't agree with that. As with any totalitarian regime, many germans were forced to conform to the nazis. The first inmates of camps were germans who did not agree. Many were brainwashed into believing its message - a message designed to be be believed by the masses. It was manipulation on a grand scale using clever psychology. Those who suffered most were as ever the innocents on all sides.

"Times have changed. Time to move on and stop playing victims."

Very true.

Re: Memo From the Poland-Germany Border

My father-in-law grew up in Solec upon Vistula, a town which had German and Jewish populations. He's still traumatised by the memory of a couple of local German farmers, a grandfather and grandson, who were captured by the Soviets.
He saw them awaiting their own murder, sitting together under a tree on a sunny day with the most disconsolate faces he's ever seen in his life.

Re: Memo From the Poland-Germany Border

From the Telegraph newspaper

New migration after EU relaxes border control

Thousands of asylum seekers are on the move across Europe as a result of the relaxation of internal border controls.

A new system intended to make it easier for European Union citizens to move between member countries has led to a dramatic rise in illegal immigrants.

At the Traiskirchen refugee camp in Austria, numbers have more than doubled, from 300 to 770, since the rules were changed just before Christmas.

Many, travelling on foot, in vans and taxis, had started their journeys in the disputed Russian territory of Chechnya.

Elena Gairabeka and her five children walked across the border into Austria from the Czech Republic after initially leaving Russia and entering the EU through Poland.

The group, which included a six-month-old baby, faced night-time temperatures of minus 20C during the journey.

Mrs Gairabeka said they made the trip to join up with her husband Muslim, who had entered Austria illegally five years earlier.

Mrs Gairabeka said they arrived in Poland by train but had been unable to continue their journey until the border rules changed on December 21.

The new rules mean that staff at the internal borders can no longer check passports.

The rules do not apply to Britain and Ireland, which are not part of the so-called Schengen zone.

Last month, The Sunday Telegraph exposed lax controls on the new eastern frontier and fears that many more illegal migrants would be able to enter the EU.


"We were able to get to Poland without a visa, and we applied for asylum - that meant we could stay while the application was processed," Mrs Gairabeka said.

"Now the borders have opened I have been able to cross to Austria. We hitched a lift in a lorry part of the way and walked the rest. But I am worried they will send us back to Poland."

Most asylum seekers arriving in Traiskirchen had few possessions and little protections against the bitter cold.

But Mrs Gairabeka said it was worth the discomfort.

"To be honest, we don't care if we live here or in Poland or Britain," she said. "The main thing is that after five years we want to be a family again and my children want their father.

" Mr Gairabeka previously had to travel to Poland to meet up with his family.

Almost 2,000 soldiers still patrol Austria's borders, but they are powerless to check the passports of new arrivals.

With a border that includes the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and Slovenia, Austria has been the first to experience the wave of new arrivals.

Traiskirchen's mayor, Franz Gartner, said: "The government held parties to celebrate Schengen but never bothered to evaluate the security situation properly. If it is not going to close these borders it needs more camps."

Austria's interior minister, Guenther Platter, pledged that the new arrivals would be sent back to Poland, warning: "Anyone who comes to us from another EU country has no right to asylum here."

German police, who opposed the opening of the borders, have also reported a sharp increase in the number of illegal migrants entering the country.

Some politicians are demanding the borders once again be closed.

Harald Vilimsky, secretary-general of the Austrian Freedom Party, said there had been an "avalanche of asylum seekers", mainly from Russian-speaking countries.

Gerald Grosz, of the Alliance for the Future of Austria party, said the government was turning Austria into "an El Dorado for fake asylum applicants and criminals".

Re: Memo From the Poland-Germany Border

"Austria's interior minister, Guenther Platter, pledged that the new arrivals would be sent back to Poland, warning: "Anyone who comes to us from another EU country has no right to asylum here.""

Ooh! does Gordie know this??!!