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Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

Only the Grauniad could write something as sophomoric as “The German-Polish football rivalry stems from the two nations' troubled history, namely Nazi Germany's invasion of Poland, which sparked the second world war.”

Yes, as we all know the previous millennium was without incident.

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

A large number of Poles have put Polish flags on their cars in the last few days. In my view they are in for a big disappointment despite the addition of non-Polish players in their national team.

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

Hmmm well a Pole scored the two winning goals...unfortunately he was not on the Polish team!

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

No, he's German. He was a baby when he and his family left Poland. He and his parents chose and choose to be German, not Polish.

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

This does not sound like someone who feels German talking :

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080609/sp_soccer_afp/fbleuro2008grbgerpolpodolski
Extract from above link :
KLAGENFURT, Austria (AFP) - Polish-born forward Lukas Podolski admitted he was suffering from divided loyalties after his goals sealed a 2-0 win which sank Poland and launched the German's Euro 2008 campaign.

Having turned 23 last Wednesday, Podolski combined with Germany's other Polish-born forward Miroslav Klose for his first goal on 20 minutes and followed up with an unstoppable volley on 72 minutes.

"We did the essential in winning our opener, but this victory does not over enthuse me as I am originally from Poland. All my family is over there," he said.

"I have two hearts - a German one and a Polish one!"

"I had some family in the stands and they were driving back home after the game, so I ran to them at the end of the game.

"I didn't really celebrate after the first goal as a mark of respect, I have a big family in Poland and was born there, I wanted to show some respect."

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

Media speak. He wore football boots with a special German flag on. Something no-one else did on the german side

I don't see how he can be seen as Polish

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

Podolski lived in Poland for all of 2 years as a baby. The rest of his life (i.e. the other 21 years), including his school and training years, he has spent in Germany. He's much more German than he ever was Polish. It would be strange if he didn't play for Germany.

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

He looks Polish

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

"The rest of his life (i.e. the other 21 years), including his school and training years, he has spent in Germany. He's much more German than he ever was Polish"

If you are bought up with a different culture because of your parents then you are never going to be 100% of the culture where you are born. I spent many years as a child very confused and bewildered by being in a country with one culture and having a different culture and language at home.

You don't need newspaper quotes to see he was clearly completely torn up when he scored the first goal. If I remember correctly he held his head in his hands and did not smile...

At least he is doing a good job for Polish/German relations. (maybe not on this board, but generally...).

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

"At least he is doing a good job for Polish/German relation."

Why do you think this?

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

"Given historically recent Nazi crimes against ethnic Poles, and his decision to play for Germany as a Polish Citizen, he is viewed as a traitor in Poland."

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_humor&Number=296285035

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

"Why do you think this?"

I meant in Germany. Seeing as they have such negative Polish stereotypes, wins from Podolski and Kubica (recent Polish winner of Canadian Grand Prix on BMW Sauber team which has three German team mates among others) are bound to reinforce a more positive Polish stereotype.

Re: Pray for Poland, priest urges Euro fans

"Media speak. He wore football boots with a special German flag on. Something no-one else did on the german side"

What's a special German flag?