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Re: Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War

Pat Buchanan is a laughing stock in his native country. He is marginal and inconsequential.

His facts are skewed as much as his anti-Churchill rants. Nazi Germany had been gearing up for war since 1935 and while he is correct in asserting that Hitler initially sought an anti-Soviet alliance with Poland, the truth is that it was simply unattainable politically. Polish leaders would have never signed off on such a pact.

Stating that “Poland was a creature of the Versailles Treaty” is just outright ignorant. Poland became a nation in 966 AD and lost her independence in the late 18th century, followed by a string of uprisings and wars for independence. Political borders didn’t change the fact that Poles continued to fight to reconstruct their nation. Versailles Treaty sought to end a perpetual state of war on Polish territories. Unintended consequences of the Treaty are just an academic discussion.

Buchanan’s theorizes that Britain should have stood idly by while Hitler gobbled up Europe and then we would have had “peace in our time”. He is delusional.

Re: Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War

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Re: Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War

There is a consideration in geo politics referred to as a “hinge of history”. This refers to points where if things go one way then the course of events changes direction. Not to be confused with the popularly used argument of “shifting paradigm” which is basically the evolution of events; hinge of history moments utterly alter subsequent options. Buchanan’s thesis fails because he labels the wrong point as a hinge of history; the March 1939 British-Polish mutual defense pact. The true hinge of history events which precipitated WWII and the following fifty years of world politics and war was the failure of France and Britain to enforce the provisions of the Versailles Treaty preventing German rearmament and conscription in 1935 and subsequently the re-militarization of the Rhineland in March 1936. After that, war was inevitable.

Re: Churchill, Hitler, and the Unnecessary War

Slepowron - couldn't agree more. Also that political failure underlines something which is true for all of us in our everyday lives - don't box yourself into a corner and half-try to defend the indefensible.

If you don't believe strongly in something, don't even attempt it if the price of failure is going to be high. It's like this in our personal relationships too.