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Re: Mentioning the war

For countries to take pride in their accomplishments is natural; and in the matter of what Britain, Poland and the U.S. did during WWII is for them amply justified. They also made mistakes.

The American mistakes generally were a matter of over-simplifying. That characteristic is also a source America’s virtue. Once a matter is defined as wrong, evil or dangerous the American will is swiftly and effectively put to changing it. The uptake may be slow, but the application is not.

The British penchant for ordering things into classes and moral relativism leaves it susceptible to inaction and, worse, counterproductive action. Yet if something does not fall into the British sense of order then it will not be tolerated.

For Poles it is the dichotomy of fervent belief in axiomatic social and national tenets. This leads to internal dissention, but under threat it leads to an internal cohesion that few countries can emulate.

Regarding the war; the British and Americans were not prepared to deal with the Soviets and Stalin. For the British, internal class politics allowed Soviet sympathizers to play the system to Stalin’s advantage. Churchill could order flights to supply Warsaw but Labour/Union/Socialists in the Ministry would redirect resources. The American black and white perspective could not parse the need to lend tactical support to the Soviet Union while strategically countering the Soviet position in central Europe.

The Poles, on the other hand, did not have the luxury of national choices either large or small. Their choices were individual choices of honor, loyalty, trust and faith. That so many made the same choices makes it appear to those from the outside that there was a mandated national position. It was, however, individual choices that defined the nation.

A not infrequent debate in post-war Poland was (is) whether Poland would have been better served if it had acted more as had the Czech’s. There is no recurrent history of Czech uprisings, rebellions and revolts and yet Czech’s exist. The conclusion to these debates, long or short, would invariably be: but then we would not be Poles.