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AGW Climate change brilliantly debunked by Polish scientist

Zbigniew Jaworowski is not a well-known figure, probably because no-one will be able to pronounce his name outside of Poland.
However, he shows how:

- ice cores cannot possibly be used as historic measures of CO2 in the atmosphere,

- CO2 in the atmosphere has been measured accurately since 1812 (debunking ice core measures)

- CO2 in the atmosphere fluctuated wildly in pre-industrial times

- global temperatures are not at an anomalous high

- CO2 is not particularly high

- there is no increase in extreme weather at recorded locations

- errm, that's just about it! But isn't that enough? The sun and cosmic rays have a far greater effect. Solar Cycle 24 has dashed the hopes of global warmers and looks like being the quietist for some time. In fact it looks as if solar activity might remain at worryingly low levels which, if they continue, might cause a couple of decades of colder climate patterns. But no-one really knows - it's a matter of speculation. Although, for global warming people it's more like religious dogma which disregards the facts. Science Facts, not Science Fiction!

Re: AGW Climate change brilliantly debunked by Polish scientist

The ecology of the planet will surely not suffer if industrial nations agree to cut world pollution....

Re: AGW Climate change brilliantly debunked by Polish scientist

Perversely the ecology will suffer. There is a demand for a certain quantity of production of industrial goods to sustain an economy that can feed, medicate and clothe the world’s population. If one cuts industrial output in countries that are currently providing that demand with products made with relatively low ecology detriment output (not zero, but low) then the inherent demand will be met by countries that will produce the products even less ecologically.

Be it at Kyoto or Copenhagen there are a slew of countries that will sign the agreements with absolutely no intention of abiding with the constraints. This while countries that are relatively clean will constrain their production and penalize there industries and populations.

Prices will rise, pollution will rise and the global recession will be prolonged.

Re: AGW Climate change brilliantly debunked by Polish scientist

"Perversely the ecology will suffer. There is a demand for a certain quantity of production of industrial goods to sustain an economy that can feed, medicate and clothe the world’s population. If one cuts industrial output in countries that are currently providing that demand with products made with relatively low ecology detriment output (not zero, but low) then the inherent demand will be met by countries that will produce the products even less ecologically.

Be it at Kyoto or Copenhagen there are a slew of countries that will sign the agreements with absolutely no intention of abiding with the constraints. This while countries that are relatively clean will constrain their production and penalize there industries and populations.

Prices will rise, pollution will rise and the global recession will be prolonged."



Completely agree.

Strange that the media never reports similar viewpoints.

Re: AGW Climate change brilliantly debunked by Polish scientist

Pollution is bad. Everyone agrees that.

BUT
It's an established fact that most plants do better at much higher CO2 concentrations than exist at present and at warmer temperatures than exist at present. The Medieval Warm Period was a good period for food production - and we're cooler now than we were 600 years ago.

So what exactly are we trying to achieve here?