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typically enigmatic response, I suppose
I suggest setting up a freemasons lodge for foreigners living in or thinking of living in Poland. Make it close to the German border. I will think about joining .
I think you have to be asked by by them. My aunt was a member, and she never wanted to discuss it.
So the 'Polandpoland forum' lodge, it is then.
What do we do when do we start?
Try googling 'WLNP Polska'. You will find there's a Poznań lodge, in amity with most British BB, which meets a little way out of the city. Also a Polish language lodge in London.
wonder if this will work...
that was the picture of Mr B's masonic lodge in Poznan in case any of you were wondering
Dajwid, what or who is sitting in the front seat of your camper van?
That picture is not there!!
Its my wifes bum
That picture is not there!!
LOL. If you want it to disappear, dajwid, just change the name of it on photobucket and the image tag will no longer work!
dajwid - are my eyes deceiving me, or is that a particularly intricate / intimate initiation ceremony that you're getting up to in there?
Ah ha! well spotted.
What do people do in masonic lodges? what is the attraction?
Can I join your 'lodge' then please?
My father in law is in the Masons (whoops careful who's reading this with their all seeing eye!). He has his "secret suitcase" with all his formal regalia in it and only gets it out when he visits the "monkey temple", the local masonic lodge. I could nick this and we would have some dressing up clothes and other stuff to start the lodge with. No issue with doing this as he has never invited me to join anyway!
Alternatively couldn't we set up a Simpsons Stonecutters lodge instead? The Stonecutters were founded around the year 500 AD. Although it vows to split the rocks of ignorance that obscure the light of knowledge and truth, most of the group's activities are devoted to drinking lots of beer and mindless entertainment. It has a long history of these pointless gatherings.
Its existence is hidden from the public, known only to members, and has chapters all over the world. Members enjoy special privileges, such as free vending machine items and vibrating chairs at work.
Who will be Grand Po-Bah?
Some interesting info on freemasonry
Freemasonry is an esoteric society, in that certain aspects of its internal work are not generally disclosed to the public. In recent years, Freemasons have stated that Freemasonry has become less a secret society and more of a society with secrets. It also claims that most of the "secrets" of Freemasonry were revealed and have been known to the public since as early as the eighteenth century. For this and other reasons, most modern freemasons regard the traditional concern over secrecy as a demonstration of their ability to keep a promise and as a surrogate for the organization's concern over the privacy of their own affairs. The private aspects of modern Freemasonry deal with elements of ritual and the modes of recognition amongst members within the ritual.
Requirements for membership of freemasons
A candidate for Freemasonry must apply to a Private (or Constituent) Lodge in his community, obtaining an introduction by asking an existing member. After enquiries are made, he must be freely elected by secret ballot in open Lodge. Members approving his candidacy will vote with "white balls" in the voting box. Adverse votes by "black balls" will exclude a candidate. The number of adverse votes necessary to reject a candidate, which in some jurisdictions is as few as one, is set out in the governing Constitution. Lodges conduct these elections in a number of different ways; a wholly secret ballot where every member is given the means to vote either way, or semi public where members who choose to vote go to the ballot box and cast a secret vote.
Generally to be a regular Freemason, one must:
Be a man who comes of his own free will. Traditionally Freemasons do not actively recruit new members.
Believe in a Supreme Being, or, in a few jurisdictions, a Creative Principle.
Be at least the minimum age (18–25 years depending on the jurisdiction, but commonly 21),
Be of sound mind, body and of good morals, and of good repute.
Be free (or "born free", i.e. not born a slave or bondsman).
Have one or two references from current Masons (depending on jurisdiction).
A candidate is asked 'Do you believe in a Supreme Being?'. Since an initiate is obligated on that sacred volume which is applicable to his faith, a sponsor will enquire as to an appropriate volume once a decision has been made on the applicants suitability for initiation.
A number of Grand Lodges allow a Lewis, the son of a Mason, to be initiated earlier than the normal minimum age for that jurisdiction.
Being of "sound body" is thought to be derived from the operative origins of Freemasonry, an apprentice would be able to meet the demands of their profession. In modern times Grand Lodges tend to encourage the use of the ritual in ways to mitigate for difficulty.
The "free born" requirement remains for purely historical reasons. Some jurisdictions have done away with it entirely.
Some Grand Lodges in the United States have a residence requirement, candidates being expected to have lived within the jurisdiction for certain period of time, typically six months.
It is notable that the requirement for the candidate to have a belief in a Supreme Being is not present in some, but not all, Co-Masonic bodies, leading to a significant divergence in organisational direction and philosophy.
The position of women and Freemasonry is complex, although traditionally, only men can be made Freemasons, in Regular Freemasonry.