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Re: Re: Desert Island Reversal

Lady In Waiting's real weakness is its payoff clue to me. There is just no logical reason why the point about the shots first, then the alarm, should not have come up right at the outset. If anything, the anomaly about Bryce's newspaper would have worked better as a payoff clue than as the first thing wrong that Columbo noticed.

Having said that, I generally feel that weak first season episodes are usually miles ahead of weak episodes from later in the run because there is still a distinct sense of superior style. Especially because Columbo has yet to be weighed down by the gimmicks and the sense of self-importance that I think affected the series more as the years went on (and really suffocates most of the ABC Columbos IMO).

Re: Desert Island Reversal

I don't have the dvd with me right now, so I can't check the exact dialogue. But I believe when Peter Hamilton first says the bit about hearing the shots and the alarm..he really doesn't specify which he heard first. Does someone have this on dvd or tape that they could check it out? It is in the beginning when they are gathered at the murder scene.

Re: Desert Island Reversal

Do you mean this scene Cass?

Lady in Waiting clip



WD

Re: Desert Island Reversal

You will never cease to amaze me!!
Thank you.
Now you see...he doesn't say which came first. He said he heard the 3 shots and then the detective says, "and the alarm was going." But I believe later when Columbo is going over the transcripts from the court case he says that Peter didn't say at the hearing which came first but when he had originally heard Peter talk about it....In the scene that you provided Welsh....that he made it clear that he heard the shots first and then the alarm.
I am starting to confuse myself!!!
Thanks again WD.

Re: Re: Desert Island Reversal

I just re-watched Last Salute. It IS extremely quirky (Columbo's shouted conversation with the foreman, Mac and Kramer's little vaudeville bit at the climax, Clay's "erratically" response, Columbo mumbling, "yaaaaawwwwwwwl", and so on.) In addition, the "'t'isn't" slip by the murderer was sure a lucky break for Columbo! But I still enjoy it because of, not in spite of, its goofball qualities. Although the first time I saw it it drove me crazy!

Re: Desert Island Reversal

Well..it still drives me crazy...but whenever it airs on tv I still watch it....yes it is quite a departure...and Columbo is waaaaaaay over the top...(a foreboding for the newer episodes..)...but it is Columbo nonetheless..even though I get a headache (not a Headache2112! ) everytime I see that scene in the shipyard! It is indeed, a very bizarre episode.

Re: Desert Island Reversal

The Conspiritors- Just generally lame. All that TV techno nonsense looks too dated now.

Dagger Of The Mind- As much as I love Honor Blackmon, this farce was a US snapshot of a London which doesn't exsist.

Last Salute to the Commodore- Eh? What the hell is going on here? It threw the Columbo rule book out the window, but not in a good way. Just a load of weird nonsense. As a director Patrick McGoohan is an absolute maniac. I met him and he's a mentalcase in real life too. Totally tonto!

Re: Desert Island Reversal

Lady in Waiting, Old-Fashioned Murder, and probably Make Me a Perfect Murder. No sexism intended -- just in order very dull, very lackluster, and two unrelated TV movies welded together. Perfect Murder reminds me of the last CBS Rockford Files movie that was actually a social issue-of-the-week TV movie that just happened to star Jim Rockford.

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And no sexism here either....even though I am a woman...but I prefer the episodes where the murderer is a guy. It just sits better with me. Any thoughts on this?

Re: Re: Desert Island Reversal

I think a lot of the writers went out of their way to make the female murderers sympathetic. Rather than making those episodes better, it often interfered with the "he got the killer" satisfaction we get when Columbo nails a really nasty villain.

The best episodes are usually those when an arrogant jerk gets what's coming to him - "Murder by the Book", "Suitable for Framing", "Murder Under Glass". A lot of the episodes with female killers try to show that the killer really isn't all that bad and that Columbo regrets nabbing them. Sometimes it works ("Forgotten Lady" is a standout). But a lot of times it doesn't.

Re: Re: Desert Island Reversal

Though I loved Ruth Gordon, and thought Vera Miles and Honor Blackman were both pretty cattily good. For some reason, though I've only ever liked her on the X-Files, I feel that Gillian Anderson could do a good job.

Re: Desert Island Reversal

Most definitely, Dirk. Maybe it was a sign of the times....but boy!! it was annoying!...I always wanted to see a male murderer..I never really enjoyed the murderer to be a female...........and as you say, the writers tried to make the females sympathetic...a ploy they used with some male ones...it worked for Donald Pleasence...and possibly Johnny Cash...but not for some of those women.....they were tyrants..Beth Chadwick??

Re: Desert Island Reversal

All from season 5:

Dagger Of The Heart
A Case Of Immunity
A Matter of Honor

The only out of country episode I liked was Troubled Waters.

Re: Desert Island Reversal

Last salute is simply too weird and spooky to grade. I still watch it and wonder whats going on and ive seen it a fair few times.

Forgotten lady is an amazing episode and is on Hallmark on sunday. I forgot all about that. 10 hours of columbo.

God bless,

Matthew