Home Strip Sponsorship Raffle

Due to the unfortunate collapse of our current deal the Club has decided to give our supporters and local businesses the chance to sponsor our home strip for the remainder of this season and the whole of season 2009/10.

Tickets will go on sale as from Monday 12th January at the cost of £250+vat and can be bought by groups as well as individuals.Multiple purchases will also be possible.

The draw will take place in the lounge on the evening of Thursday 26th February.

1st Prize will be the winners name of choice on the front of the home strip.

2nd Prize will be the winners name of choice on the back of the home strip.

3rd Prize will be the winners name of choice on the home strip shorts.

All other entrants will get a table for 4 in the Jeek Fleming Lounge in season 2009/10 with full hospitality worth £200+vat at a game of the clubs' choice.

This is a great opportunity to see your name "in colour" so please support the club in this venture.

The winners will have their names on the strip for our home game against Raith Rovers on March 7th.

Really good idea Dave, hopefully there's plenty interest.

Maybe GoF will get AFTN on the strip.

Whats full cost when VAT is added on?

£287.50

We should all chip in and get

"F**K THE ROVERS"

emblazoned across the strip.

I'm going for it St Pauli!

Would be a dream come true!!!

Btw, cracking idea after what's happened so well done the club

why not
"tic -tacs"

its as close we are gonna get to tactics ........

Ho, ho, ho, ho ho ... slap my thighs... what wit!

Any more where that one came from Skipper Cliche?

defo 5 games, possible 7 with the play-offs, maybe more if we get a cup run (get past Stenny 1st).

Worst case scenario would be £50 per game (+vat) and with luck and getting to the cup final (with home ties) £25.

Dave does the sponsor get a signed strip at the end of the season???

and btw great idea

This is an ideal opportunity for all of the supporters to help the club, why not take all of the details of this fantastic sponsorship details to your employer, your local pub/hotel, carry out, taxi company the list can go on and on.

We need all of our supporters to spread the word about this as the more people who know the more raffle tickets we will sell.

With your support we can make this a huge success and if every supporter could just convince one person to participate it would be fantastic.

It would be handy if this was on the offeeshul site. I just checked and is still not up.

If we get a decent cup run and are drawn against a decent team then surely for the media coverage alone it would be worth £20,000 for a firm to have their name advertised across the shirt?

MLK

It is now.

I thought it was a good deal until I read it again (I shouldnt speed read) FFS its a fuckin corker not just the rest of this season but the whole of next, thats at most £10.86 a game (only counting home league games).
How many tickets do the club expect to sell?? if they sell 100 thats £25000 which would be absolutely brilliant but what about the unsuccessful 99 tickets?? how many can you get in the Jeek Fleming suite?? 99 tables divided by 18 games 5.5 tables per game (add cups and friendlies and it would be less), or is it more realistic to assume 25 sold = £6250

Lonefifer its time you slowed down and read it again
Its a sponsorship deal for 15 months when if you are one of the three main winners you have your name on various parts of the strip if you do not win that you automatically get a table for four at One match during the season so if we are lucky enough to sell 100 tickets (with all of our supporters help its not impossible) we would then have 400 people for corporate and since the Jeek Fleming suite takes 100 it would only fill the first 4 matches

So if all of you could get together with some friends/supporters you could all club together and raise the £250 as you are going to get the hospitality anyway its only going to cost you a few quid each to have a chance to have one of your names on the home strip.

Please contact me on 01324 711189 if you are worried about paying the Vat and we will sort something out for you.

But time is marching on and there is only 6 weeks or so to organise this

sorry John thought the Jeek Fleming suite was one of the small ones

Can the SC afford this ????????? or what if all the members of the SC 140 or 110 excluding the kids put say £10 in each that would give us 4 chances of winning and 4 tables wot do you guys think if interested let me know.

worth a shot cazza. just had a salesman fi alloa at the door, tried to get him interested haha selling to the salesman but he ran off lol

GoF,
Are you going to sticky this to keep it up the top?
I think its a great idea and have my bosses interested.Its really a win,win proposition for some firms. 15 months shirt sponsorship or a hospitality dday.

your hain a laugh here davie boy,is this a wind UP 250 POUNDS SHOULD BE A POUND ,CREDIT CRUNCH .ALWAYS LOOKIN TO LINE YOUR POCKETS .

Probably better not stickying it as people tend to miss them. I'm sue it'll stay up the top through interest.

Does this mean we'll have a home shirt with no sponsor on until March and then a new one from then onwards, or are we going to be playing in the away kit until the Rovers game?

We will be playing in the green shirt FF, until February/March time, unless the colours clash.

From today's courier

EAST FIFE Football Club intend to bounce back from their own misfortune at the hands of the current credit crisis by auctioning off the opportunity to sponsor the club to supporters and local businesses.

From next Monday individuals, groups, or local businesses can buy a raffle ticket at £250 a time to be entered into a draw that will take place at the end of February.

Three tickets will be drawn, with the first prize being the winner’s name on the front of the team’s home kit, the second prize having their name on the back of the home kit, and third prize winning sponsorship rights of the team’s shorts.

Winners will have their names on the shirts until the end of the 2009/10 season, with those who do not win receiving full hospitality for four at East Fife’s Bayview Stadium during a game next season.

The novel fund-raising approach has come about after the Methil club split from this season’s initial shirt sponsor, the Largo Trust, over claims from the club that the charity failed to pay fees believed to be around £68,000, something the trust denied.

Though a statement from the East Fife last month confirmed the money was not essential for day-to-day running of the club, improvements to the ground could not go ahead without this funding.

Nobody from the club was available to speak to The Courier yesterday afternoon, however initial response to the scheme from supporters has been overwhelmingly positive.

Posts on the unofficial fansite, “Away From The Numbers,” have included, “It would be a dream come true,” and “An ideal opportunity for all of the supporters to help the club.”

Surely it shouldn't be too hard to get a new set of black and gold without the sponsor's logo on? Or cover it up with a numbered patch like West Ham did recently?

Never mind about what strips we play in how many people have you convinced to buy a raffle ticket today.
Thats far more important, and at least its a positive move by the club so that some of our supporters can have their name on the home kit for the next 15 months.

Excellent idea by the club. This is the type of communication the fans need. Tell us what the priority is and maybe we can help. How much would the club need to get that community coach? set us a figure that you are short of and we can try and meet it. Does DB have a player in mind that's a wee bit out of financial reach? Let us help, but give us a figure to aim for. Terracing? How much do you need from us? Give us a target figure and we can try and get meetings amongst other fans who might give their skilled time to make it happen at cost price plus what we can raise in monies. We might not make the complete cost, but maybe enough to get it going. Terracing steps next season and the cover the season after that, step by step. [no pun intended] Giving us a target figure will motivate us more than just asking for a monthly contribution to the club which fans are not sure what it will be used for. I know times are hard and the fans are struggling to get to games due to costs, but if their is enough of us willing to work hard then we CAN make the difference. If the club were to print leaflets with the priorities and a target figure for each goal and timescale and let us see if we can organise meetings to help achieve the targets. At least give us a chance to help. The strip sponsorship is a great idea to start with and hopefully a step in the right direction in bringing the fans and board closer together.

Money CAN be raised. I have some ideas that i will bring to the S.C meeting tommorrow for discussion. Clubs that are threatened with going out of business can raise substantial amounts, then so can we if we have a goal to reach, but we need figures and lots more devoted people!

Excellent idea Boab.

I won't sticky this topic for reasons stated just now, but if it starts to die down I'll bump it up every now and again.

Fifeybob we need more of you out there, what a positive posting probably one of the best Ive read, and I only wish there were more of you, however I will speak to the rest of the directors and we will arrange a meeting very soon at Bayview where all like minded people can come along and put their point of view

John are there going to be any directors at the SC meeting tomorrow night to help answer questions we might have.

Surely you do not pay VAT on a raffle ticket,if I buy a raffle ticket I dont pay Vat,and if I buy a lotto ticket I dont pay Vat,so the price you pay is as stated £250.00 vat does not come into it,so if I buy a raffle ticket and I do not win but I get a table for four does that mean I have to pay vat on that.it is irrelevant what the prize is you do not pay vat.IMO

Good post there Boab.

A raffle is just a particular type of 'lottery' of which the common law definition is "a distribution of prizes by lot or chance where the participators make payment to secure a chance of winning". The law relating to lotteries in its application to your question is complicated. I will endeavour to summarise it for you in the limited space available, but inevitably some details will be lost in the process.

We start with the basic principle that, under the Lotteries & Amusements Act 1976, all lotteries are unlawful with certain specified exemptions. Disregarding the exemptions which have no relevance to your case, those which may possibly apply are as follows.

First, there is exemption for 'small lotteries' which are incidental to 'an exempt entertainment' such as a bazaar, fete, dinner, sporting event or other entertainment attraction of a similar nature. No registration or licence is required in such a case but there are certain conditions, such as that neither the proceeds of the raffle (after deduction of certain specific expenses) nor the entertainment to which it relates are to be used for purposes of private gain, that the lottery tickets are sold only on the premises at which the exempt entertainment is held and during the course of that entertainment that no more than £250 is spent on buying prizes and that no money prizes are awarded. No licence or registration is required for a small lottery.

Secondly, there is total exemption without licensing or registration for a 'private lottery' where the sale of tickets is confined to members of one society or club or organisation which is not itself set up for gaming or lottery purposes so that the lottery is merely ancillary to its other activities. It applies also where the lottery is confined to persons all of whom work or reside in the same place. Again, certain conditions must be observed, such as the whole of the proceeds after expenses must be used either for the purposes of the society or club or organisation concerned or the provision of prizes or both. No management fee must be paid and no advertisement exhibited outside the premises and no tickets sent through the post. The price of every entry must be the same.

The third category is a 'society lottery' promoted on behalf of a society established and conducted wholly, or mainly, for charitable purposes or for participation in or support of athletic sports or games or cultural activities or some other purpose which is not for private gain or for any commercial undertaking . If a lottery is neither a 'small lottery' nor a 'private lottery' as above, it must be registered with the local council before tickets are offered for sale, and the whole of the proceeds of the lottery, after deduction of expenses and cost of prizes, must be applied for the purposes of the society concerned. Furthermore, if the value of the lottery tickets on sale exceeds £20,000, or when added to sales from previous lotteries in the same year exceeds £250,000, the society must be registered with the Gaming Board.


Turning to the question of VAT, lotteries are exempt supplies so no VAT is payable on sale of raffle tickets. If prizes are purchased from the sale, then VAT paid on the purchase of raffle prizes is a deductible expense from the raffle proceeds.

There is an excellent user-friendly booklet obtainable from the Gaming Board entitled Lotteries and the Law which I would recommend you to get if further detail is required.

What we have here is the ideal opportunity to show that we are all prepared to pull together in order that we come through these difficult financial times in as strong a position as we went into them.We have shown in the past that we could unite for change so let's do it again for stability.

Great to see the club pro thinking in raising funds , but agree with Fifey , if depending on how much the club raise will any of this money go towards a new terracing.

We are a small business and we currently advertise with east fife .We are considering buying a raffle ticket.
Some firms do reclaim there vat and others dont.Mr Sharp has gone on to say if you dont want to pay the vat we can see what we can do for you.I am not particularly happy with that and i would prefer everybody to be paying the same.
Following zaks comments about vat. Within the £50 hospitality meal vat is included in that.
I can never remember entering a competition/raffle and having to pay vat.
Surely this needs further clarification and everybody should be paying the same .

any hospitality package does vat is not included if you pay £50 you have vat on top.

oops,my mistake

I see you are buying tickets for the raffle are you paying VAT.???

Just to clarify matters I have spoken to Customs and Excise (the Vat people ) and we can with a few adjustments treat this Raffle as NON VAT so everyone pays £250.00 per entry.

We already have a lottery licence for the Goldmine so there is no problem about operating the Raffle.

However if you book hospitality it costs £50.00 per person plus Vat a total of £57.50 per person.

Finally thanks to the SC for their fantastic contribution, and I hope that all of our supporters are spreading the word about our Strip Raffle.

I dont quite get how if you buy a lottery ticket and are unsuccessful you get hospitality for 4 but if you use it you get charged £50 plus vat.

Is it the case here that unsuccessful folk taking up the hospitality will be invoiced for the vat element, basically 4 @ £7.50 vat = £30.

Overall the idea is a good one but the above isnt terribly clear, maybe John can clarify, ta.

Why not say that losing entries will be given hospitality at a special rate of 43.48 + vat?

It's Her Majesties Revenue and Customs now Mr Sharp, Customs and Excise has not been in existence for a number of years.

Now thats getting pedantic.

The hospitality was to clarify the point made by Confused and Concerned because if you book hospitality you are charged VAT that is a totally different issue from the Raffle.

It costs £250.00 per entry for the Raffle with NO VAT and every loosing entry gets 4 places Hospitality in the Jeek Fleming Suite ( which is worth £230 including the Vat )

For those people unable to afford £250, I am proposing that they buy a packet of paper plates.

Write your chosen slogan on the plate, wave it in the air to allow people to read your message.

At half-time, purchase a pie, ask the kiosk attendent to place the pie on your plate. Fans are then free to enjoy the stability the plate offers their pie.

As long as no crumbs or sauce remain upon the plate after half-time, the plate can then be reused as a mobile sponsor board again and again.

What a bunch o' thick hoors youz are. Di ye no understand vat?
A close, personal friend of mine, Alastair Darling, helped advise me when I arranged the most successful bruch you c@nts have ever had. The worst is thing is that although I dinae like to mention it no' one of you b@astards have thanked me

Times are hard just now so for anyone who wants to be involved but doesn't have £250 here is a proposal.
If I can get 9 names of people (plus me) wanting a £25 share then we can buy an entry. I am sure if we win we can come up with a suitable name for the shirts and the hospitalty can go to 4 of the 10 by drawing names from a hat.
We can obviously buy more than one entry if there are multiples of 9 interested.
Anyone interested please email me.

I have had two confirmations (plus me) so it's off and running. Let's keep it going.

And another

Well how many of you have managed to persuade someone to buy a ticket for the RAFFLE OF THE YEAR !!!!!!!!!

Supposing that International Jet Setter RR1 buys a raffle ticket and wins? Just a thought.

TOC,

Why not use your co. name on shirt?

Exile, I'm more a jet setter than anyone on here -fact, and was in Sydney before Chrimbo (fnarr, fnarr). Worked it out, in the last three years, I have flown Scotland to Cancun, Scotland to New Zealand twice and returned back here, New Zealand to Fiji twice (once during a military coup no less), and New Zealand to both Melbourne and Sydney, so less of the jet setter tag for anyone else please.

Back on subject, it's a great idea, has anyone leafleted local businesses?

John, what will happen to the shirts [with Largo Trust sponsorship] already worn by the players this season?

Going by the official site, if you win the raffle you still have to pay £50 to sponsor the shirts

Bit of a scam tbh

Details of what will happen to the Largo Trust Shirts will be on the EFFC Website tomorrow.

Money Man There are no additional payments for the Shirt But just for your benifit I will explain it again, People buy a Raffle Ticket, it costs £250 with no Vat, There are 3 Main Prizes, 1 Front of the shirt, 2 Back of the shirt, 3 the Shorts, every other entry receives a table for 4 people in the Jeek Fleming Suite ( worth £230.00 )

We dont need people like you trying to make out we are doing something underhand or we are trying to con people.

I think it's a great idea and have bought one of the raffle tickets for my company. 'mon the fife

I bought one for the company today but still need six names to buy one as a syndicate. As before £25 buys a share so email me if interested.

Can't see anything underhand whatsoever. Think it's a great idea and should generate some income for the club.

It is a great idea and I've asked my boss too.
However OWS is a 'bit' misleading since it says
"sponsor the home football strip till may 2010 for £50"
then says underneath
"ticket price £250"
I understand that means £50 net i.e. you pay £250 and you are guaranteed a 'prize' worth £200(+vat) so you are only really paying £50 for your chance to be a main sponsor. (less really when you take into account vat)
But it could be construed as 'buy a ticket for £250 and if you win you can sponsor the shirt for a "further" £50.'

well I will be buying one on friday.

Wee reminder.

did u buy one then Boaby????

how many you got selt so far Dave???

Yes,Lonefifer zak went down to the ground on friday and applied for one ,but I think if anyone goes down they will have to have certain details,you need to have decided what your putting on the strip when you go down,the ticket will be sent out to you,you do not get it there and then.

FAO - John Sharp, Details of what will happen to the Largo Trust Shirts will be on the EFFC Website tomorrow.
Any news yet John? I think they should be given to the original sponsors of the individual players.

Sorry for the delay just check the Oficial website later today, meanwhile hope you are all out there trying to sell the raffle tickets for the home kit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How far reaching have the club gone to advertise this, or have they even sent press releases out?

It's a fair bet that someone would pick up on this story because of the appeal. Radio Forth, Kingdom FM, East Fife Mail, Courier etc.What about flyers sent out with local paper in pubs etc.

I hope this is not just on aftn and the official site and relying on word of mouth?

Why bother? You obviously don't read the papers anyway.

As it happens, they have advertised it in the EF Mail at least. Could you not resist another whinge?

Lord, give me strength!
Amen.

Jocky I was only asking in the hope that they had spread the net far and wide that's all, in that way they can maximise the sales. I haven't read the East Fife Mail in a while and I don't get the Courier either but many who do and don't have internet may miss out.No whingeing just wondering.

BU002, you've now been added to Jocky's wee black book of all those who dare to question any aspect of the running of East Fife Football Club. The moral arbiter of all things EFFC from its style of football to the colour of the manager's tie, the club website to the studs on Shagger's left boot and from the way the club markets itself to the type of bulb in the floodlights.

Jocky, me old mucker, you've truly missed your vocation. You'd have made a fine Stasi officer (or perhaps an informer) in the old East Germany. Keep up the good work!

Jocky - that was a valid question. I understand that negative posts are a pain in the arse but when you start to take a simple question as someone having a go, then you surely must see that you are taking the good fight to ridiculous levels.

Well said Kerriann.

Better watch out on Saturday, if anyone comes on here after the game and mentions that it was a bit cold in the stand Jocky will tear strips off them.

Someone get him an application form for the Rock Steady steward company.

Syndicate still stands at me +3. Any more interested ?

Well, I will have to apologise to BU002 as I took him the wrong way obviously. I do think there was no need to add the comments however, implying that the club have not got the brains to advertise properly, especially when there was an advert for all to see in the local paper the week before. A wee bit of research before commenting would have helped and maybe the post could simply have been left with the middle sentence, which I do agree is worth suggesting.

Am I forgiven?

Just saying that you are sorry for getting it wrong would have done Jocky.

If a poster doesn't have the same stylee as you would have that obviously causes a problem for you.

I will look at this later and realise that I should have left out the middle bit.

Sorry PP! In view of your response I shall continue as before giving my own thoughts and if it upsets you or others who care to criticise East Fife, then tough!

Jocky, can`t you get the message? You are boring the pants off everyone with your know all, confrontational attitude.
Give it a rest.

I'm afraid I see it the other way neebur and I don't think I am the only one who thinks that those who persistently criticise just about everything about East Fife are the ones who are tiresome!

In fact, I think your last post smacks of sheer arrogance, speaking on behalf of the whole website!

I just looked on the offical website,and the way the poster is printed out looks like it is for companies only so if you win does it mean you can't put your own name on it,does it have to be a company.

No it doesn't mean that Zak, but what you can't have is 4 peoples names on it for obvious reasons of available space, so people who buy a ticket between say 4, will have to come up with a sensibly short name to put on the shirt.
If you have bought one by yourself though Zak and won, then it would be your choice of name and wouldn't it look great (to you like), if it was ZAK.
Bear in mind it could be the back of the shirt, or on the shorts prize that you win, so it would have to be quite short (pardon the pun)! ZAK would look good for example on the shorts.

It even says company on the offical form why not just name,

Probably because they expected it to only be companies forking out £250, rather than individual fans. Also, it was probably the same reason they said +vat in the initial post.

Syndicate now up to five. I know times are tight but there must be five more out there can afford a £25 share.

£250.00 for
a ticket.if you are not one of three prize winners
it wil cost another extra £80.00 oddds for the hospitality - am i correct?
What is included in the hospitality?and is the hospitality included in the first three prizes plus VAT. i also trust that a family can enter and not just businessess. can an entry say which match they would like hospitality at? Would it be this season and/or next? i know this should be answered on the official website/or by the club but thought i would try hear first as there is more chance of a reply.

Dont know how you worked out you have to pay an additional ammount of money for the hospitality because you just pay £250 for your raffle ticket, if you dont win one of the prizes you get 4 places in hospitality for next season of if you need to do it this season there would be no problem ( except the Rovers game as its sold out )

Any person or company can buy them all we need to know is if you win one of the 3 main prizes what detail you want on the shirt or shorts.

On your last point have you ever contacted the club and not got a reply as I would like to know

Hi John,

I just wanted clarification about the hospitality for entrants to the draw. i do think this is a great idea . What is included in the hospitality package? As for contacting the club - i have contacted them again and if you check their e-mail you will know what it is about.Don't want to get into it on this site.thanks for your prompt reply anyway.

Eric, this information is on the East Fife website -

CORPORATE HOSPITALITY

Corporate Hospitality
£50 plus vat (per person)


Welcome to the Jeek Fleming Suite. Your day will start here at 12.30pm when we will welcome you with a complimentary drink before proceeding on a full stadium tour.

You will then be served with a superb 3 course meal, followed by coffee & mints along with complimentary drinks of your choice, provided by a waitress drinks service until 2.45pm. Then take your seat in our stand and enjoy the first half.

At half-time we will provide tea, coffee and snacks then it's back to the stand to enjoy the second half.

At full time return to your suite and waitress service will resume until 5.30pm. Also included is your match programme and team sheet.

Up to six now. This ticket could be the winner.

Up to seven. Keeps going like this we will need to start arranging interviews to join.

TOC I will join if there is still space in the syndicate. Ill speak to you on Saturday.

One share is provisionally yours until Saturday.

T.O.C.
Count me in if we draw straws to choose that name?

Fifeyboab,
It becomes a bit complicated in that when you buy a ticket you need to register the name/logo. What may work is that if we win we draw lots for the syndicate winner but whatever name they chose must be approved by the club before it can be used.

John Sharp,
Will that work ? We do not register a name but need EFFC approval before any name can be used ?

Yes that is perfectly acceptable ( for groups of supporters to do ) you can pay for your ticket now and if you win then go through your ballot to select the winner.

Thanks to TOC for his work in getting a group of you together to buy a ticket is anyone else intending to start another one ?

Don't you think that the best idea would be to have nothing on the front of the shirt.

If Joe Bloggs Bakery wins and puts their logo on the shirt, then it's no' a story and the only folk who ever see it will be the fans who watch Fife games (granted, away fans included).

However, if you win and decide to put nothing on the shirt, then that becomes a news story and will surely generate more coverage for the club and the prospective sponsor.

And we have the added benefit of having our replica shirts the way God (even though there isn't one!!!!) made them - black and gold stripes with the club badge.... and nothin' else.

It would be the best fuckin' shirt in the country!

I'm watching you, Friday Club.
Any more blasphemy from you, and you'll be roasting in the bowels of hell for all eternity.

Looks like that's us up to nine. Who want's the last share ?