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Proposed statement to SFL clubs

The Bairns Trust have prepared the proposed statement
shown below and have asked all other Trusts for their support. EFST members have been emailed and their views requested. The final statement,with the support of the Trusts who agree,will be sent to all SFL clubs prior to Friday's meeting as a consolidated Trust view.


This current situation has not been created by the Scottish Football League however the events of the last few days have turned the unwelcome focus on all SFL Clubs and the football league organisation we are part of. We applauded the SPL clubs for the stance they took last week and showing leadership to other clubs and supporting the stance that a huge majority of fans had been lobbying for.

We would like to see the following five fundamental principles.

1. One governing body.

2. Larger leagues with clubs playing each other twice only with more promotion and relegation.

3. A fairer distribution of wealth which is awarded on merit not on status or size.

4. Play-Offs in all leagues as take place in England and the lower SFL leagues.

5. A fairer democratic voting system is introduced.



If Scottish football fails grasp this opportunity to radically shape the game to what their REAL long term partners want then it may never recover properly from these traumatic events.



We believe that under no circumstances should a Newco be parachuted into any division of the football league but should apply to gain entry via the bottom of the pyramid system. No club, no matter their size or influence should be awarded favoured status. All clubs must start to live within their means and if commercial pressures are coming from both sponsors and media partners in difficult times and they are not being supportive we would suggest that these are the wrong partners for the long term. It is time for Football Clubs to support their true long term partners - THE FANS.

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6. Stovies

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Totally agree with this,I hope all other Scottish Football League clubs supporters go with this.It's not about the few it's about all of us.Tell your club chairmen in no uncertain terms that if they vote for newco in the first you will vote with your feet.
Mary how do you like youe stovies?

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I am totally behind this statement.

NO TO NEWCO!

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Not The Other Chairman

We applauded the SPL clubs for the stance they took last week and showing leadership to other clubs and supporting the stance that a huge majority of fans had been lobbying for.

A load of s***t they knew they were voting for a stitch up that puts newco in SFL1 for one season, Hibs Supporter's Association statement is more like what needs to be said and done.

Hibernian Supporter's Association Statement

For Hibs and their fans this summer should have been solely about a much needed rebuilding process.

Instead we have watched with increasing concern as the whole Scottish game has been tarnished by the financial collapse of Rangers.

As Hibs fans we know only too well how men concerned more with profiteering than the wishes of fans can risk the very existence of a football club.

So it is with increasing dismay that we have watched Scottish football tear itself apart in its attempts to protect a business model that operates more for the benefit of TV executives than ordinary supporters.

We believe that the new Rangers - if they can satisfy the usual standards demanded for SFA membership - should start out again in the Third Division.

We welcomed the "no" vote passed by the SPL, including our own club, but we have watched with dismay as the SPL clubs have stood silently on the sidelines as their own Chief Executive - with the help and approval of a now entirely discredited SFA - has tried to bully and threaten lower division clubs into submission.

Not only do we find the tactics used by Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan abhorrent, we also take issue with the doomsday scenarios they have offered as evidence.

While TV money and corporate sponsorship are undoubtedly important we do not believe that all of them would vanish if the Rangers newco was not guaranteed a place in the SPL within 12 months.

We would also argue that additional benefits - including a return to more regular 3pm Saturday kick off times - would offset some of the lost revenue.

This, however, is an issue that should go beyond finances.

It is essential that Hibernian - like all clubs - are part of a fair and equitable league structure with governing bodies that are consistent and reasonable in their treatment of all clubs.

We do not believe that is currently the case and we would call on all SPL clubs - including our own - to urgently address the damage being done to the game by Neil Doncaster and Stewart Regan.

We have long felt that reconstruction of the league structure was a critical factor in strengthening the Scottish game.

The proposals that are currently being discussed destroy the prospect of a strong Scottish game and are aimed solely at rebuilding a strong Rangers.

These attempts at craven gerrymandering for the sake of one club are an affront to all the commitments to "sporting integrity" we have heard over the last few months.

Many Hibernian fans feel cheated. While the financial sacrifices made at Easter Road have not always found favour with many of our fans we do appreciate that these decisions have been made in the interests of long term stability.

We now find our voices ignored as rules are broken or rewritten to favour a club that has spent money it could not afford to buy success.

It is heartbreaking for us to hear members speak of not going back to Easter Road or of turning their back on the Scottish national team.

These are not hollow threats. They are a symptom of the disillusionment many fans feel at a game that seems to constantly betray its paying customers.

While we have sympathy for ordinary Rangers fans left bewildered by current events we have also been saddened over the last few months to hear Ally McCoist attempt to destroy a disciplinary process that had been created to help move the game forward.

Other comments from high profile Rangers figures such as Sandy Jardine have seemed to be nothing more than vindictive threats against other clubs. These have left us shocked and angered.

Now we find ourselves in the unacceptable position of watching Charles Green attempt to sign players while footballing debts to other clubs - debts that are as important as any projected TV or sponsorship income - remain unpaid.

Yet this apparent lack of contrition is being ignored as the Scottish football authorities unite to do what they feel is best for just one club.

We would hope that the European and global footballing authorities are watching these developments with interest and will move to censure the Scottish governing bodies.

Hibernian Football Club is our passion. We want to see a strong Hibs on the pitch and off the pitch. We want to see a sustainable Hibernian at the heart of our community.

22 years ago we united as fans to save Hibernian.

Today we find ourselves united in calling for Scottish football to end the current uncertainty, withdraw the current campaign of bullying and threats aimed at our friends in the Scottish Football League and allow Rangers to rebuild their devastated club from the Third Division.

Fans of other clubs have been accused of "hating" Rangers.

We are defined not by hatred of any club but by our love of Hibernian.

A strong Hibernian in a strong Scottish game will forever be our one and only aim.

A few men motivated by greed and money currently risk that vision.

Fans of Hibernian and every other club cannot stand silently by and let that happen.

Hibernian F.C. Supporters Association
08/07/2012


I hope the SFL chairmen do the right thing, SFL3 or dead and buried for newco, anything else and I'm done giving my hard earned to a corrupt competition

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7. Mair stovies (I like stovies)

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Below is a statement issued by Clyde FC this afternoon. Many clubs have come out and said NO but on a couple of occassions now Clyde have publicly exposed the bilge which the people who are running our game are trying to peddle. At times the SFA's actions are as disgusting as those of the now defunct Rangers.


"The Board of Clyde Football Club has received the papers in advance of tomorrows SFL meeting and will consider the Heads of Terms supplied. We continue to have the same fundamental concerns about this process, however the overriding concern is a point which we have made to the SFL.

We have received absolutely no information on the organisation Sevco Scotland Ltd whom we are being asked, and encouraged, to vote straight into the top division of the SFL under resolution 2 and possibly into SFL3 under Resolution 1. We have no business plan, list of directors, details of ownership, statement of capital adequacy or any proposals relating to the provision of any similar information in the near future. David Longmuir has clearly stated that he will distribute all the information he has got or is able to distribute.

Whilst the notion that there is a leap of faith to be taken in terms of some of the matters, there can be no leap of faith with something as fundamental as knowing who is being admitted to the league. The very fact that there is no information of any kind being made available on this company undermines the authorities efforts to direct the new entrant to SFL1. It is actually impossible for any member of the SFL to make an objective assessment of the proposals under Resolutions 1 and 2 and could be seen as irresponsible to support either proposal in such a void of information.

It is our hope that some credibility can be introduced to this process and we would ask that whoever holds information on Sevco Scotland Ltd provides a full and detailed pack to David Longmuir in order that, even at the eleventh hour, the SFL clubs are given reason to support any Resolutions that they might wish to vote on. We have to assume that the SFA and SPL hold such information otherwise they would not press so heavily for entry to SFL1.

If a leap of faith is to be taken, then in the current circumstances it will be taken blindly and the only logical outcome of taking that kind of risk would be to enter them to SFL3, where, should any subsequent issues arise, they will be contained within the lowest league rather than disrupting the top flight of the SFL.

The other matter that is entirely outside the gift of the SFL is the need for the SPL clubs to confirm that, contrary to what Neil Doncaster stated on their behalf, the SPL will meet its obligations to the SFL under the Settlement Agreement."

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Gordon Smith on after the STV news was asked a couple of times where he thought Newco should play and answered once with "some Rangers fans want Div 3" and and again with "SFL fans want them in Div 3." Never actually gave his opinion. He then went on a few times about the size of Rangers,how many titles they had won and even made some vague comparison with La Liga and Real Madrid/Barcelona.
Archie was there trying to appear to be the rational voice of the elder statesman but it was obvious that he was screaming inside to say "Rangers for Div 1"