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All good things come to an end. Or so they say. AFTN has been around since 1989, first as a fanzine and then making the jump to a website and forum in 2003. We've been through the many ups and down at East Fife in those 12 years but policing the forum has become a giant pain in the ass in recent years. As such, we made the decision not to renew it when it expired.

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kenwit
Mar 29, 2013 - 11:22PM
SPL 2

quite simply SPL 2 will be in place as soon as the 1st Div clubs prostitute themselves to Neil Doncaster and his band of clubs.
SPL 2 will probably be full-time status only.
Where does that leave the rest of the season? any point in play-offs? do we need to hang onto earners like Barr,Willis if no relegation,why not blood youngsters now?
Winners in this will probably be Sevco,unsure if Airdrie will be relegated but dont see why not if Dundee get relegated from the SPL.(remembering that Airdrie promoted due to sevco).
Losers will be whoever finishes runners up this season in our Division and is denied promotion.
Except from the money side of things im puzzeld as to why the hurry for this transformation in the leagues?

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Bette Noir
Mar 29, 2013 - 11:30PM
Re: SPL 2

FA to Doncaster: mission accomplished return to base

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prodigal son
Mar 30, 2013 - 1:05AM
Re: SPL 2

Isn't there a rule that teams from Airdrie can only benefit from any deckchair shuffling?

90-91 2nd in div 1. Airdrieonians promoted as SPL expands to 12 teams

99-00 2nd bottom div 1. Airdrieonians avoid playoff as division 1 expands to 12 teams.

07-08 - lost playoff final. Airdrie Utd promoted as Gretna liquidated

08-09 - lost playoff final, Airdrie Utd stay up as Livingston demoted

11-12 - lost playoff final, Airdrie Utd promoted as Rangers liquidated

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Mar 30th, 2013 - 1:05 AM
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Dysart Lino
Mar 30, 2013 - 8:31AM
Re: SPL 2

Airdrie are part-time so not sure how they can be part of SPL2.
Last gasp attempt by Doncaster and his cohorts to fast track the Sevco Huns back to the top league, then the clubs in SPL2 will get dropped like a stone.
Hope enough Chairmen grow a set to veto it straight away.

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Mad Man
Mar 30, 2013 - 8:33AM
Re: SPL 2

kenwit
quite simply SPL 2 will be in place as soon as the 1st Div clubs prostitute themselves to Neil Doncaster and his band of clubs.
SPL 2 will probably be full-time status only.
Where does that leave the rest of the season? any point in play-offs? do we need to hang onto earners like Barr,Willis if no relegation,why not blood youngsters now?
Winners in this will probably be Sevco,unsure if Airdrie will be relegated but dont see why not if Dundee get relegated from the SPL.(remembering that Airdrie promoted due to sevco).
Losers will be whoever finishes runners up this season in our Division and is denied promotion.
Except from the money side of things im puzzeld as to why the hurry for this transformation in the leagues?


SPL2 FFS. Have they not realised that the reason Dunfermline have gone to the wall is because they are full time and trying to aspire to heights that have proved to be unrealistic? Half of the current division 1 are part-time right now, well 4 of them, and Scotland just cannot support 20 full-time clubs. And for all the Linos chairman's bluster last year about Sevco, he is the one it appears to be leading the charge to SPL 2. Bloody hypocrite, I hope his team follows the Pars down the tubes soon.

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KotS
Mar 30, 2013 - 10:35AM
Re: SPL 2

"There is no 'undue haste', as has been termed by some people, to make this happen but there is a real urgency to do it" (Neil Doncaster)

He's not a conniving fuckwit but he is a, er, conniving fuckwit.

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prodigal son
Mar 30, 2013 - 11:34AM
Re: SPL 2

Reading round the news, forums and blogs yesterday, it seems everyone is talking about SPL2.

I'm not sure what to make of it. Perhaps it's a negotiating tactic to try and sway some some of the lower league clubs into supporting 12-12-18?

From Les Gray's (Accies chairman) statement: "...we cannot sit back and let other clubs determine our business model and finances in a fashion which will be a huge disadvantage to the club."

I'm thinking Accies business model and finances are already in their own control. What they really mean is how much of a bung they get from the league, determined by the league rules, which they signed up to.

To me, the objectors to reconstruction this year are doing so out of genuine concern over the viability of the different league arrangements and the integrity of waiting until we see who's in the promo/relegation frame before deciding on the arrangements. Those in favour seem to be running around with their hands in the air shouting about the money.

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Mar 30th, 2013 - 11:34 AM
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Bette Noir
Mar 30, 2013 - 11:53PM
Re: SPL 2

Confrontational fighting talk from Accies' chairman, threatening to go it alone if the lower clubs do not agree with his mouthy proposals. Fine, let them '#go it alone'; it's not as if Accies are a big club so who the f**k are they to start laying down the law?

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Grim Reaper
Mar 31, 2013 - 9:00AM
Re: SPL 2

Bette Noir
Confrontational fighting talk from Accies' chairman, threatening to go it alone if the lower clubs do not agree with his mouthy proposals. Fine, let them '#go it alone'; it's not as if Accies are a big club so who the f**k are they to start laying down the law?


Indeed. These people seem to be learning nothing from the Dunfermline situation.
And who the hell do the mighty Accies think they are? This is a dismally supported club that has contributed next to nothing to Scottish football for most of its existence, and one that had to rely on others to provide them with a home when they went tits up in late 80's. And when they did get a new ground 10 years ago they only got it due to loads of public money being pumped into it. They should have gone to wall in the 90's but hopefully this is only being delayed.

Of course this posturing has nothing to do with them possibly getting relegated this season? Talk about having a vested interest eh? Well sod off to the SPL and prepare to be royally shafted by vested interests far bigger than Hamilton Fucking Accies.

I do like a good rant on Easter Sunday!

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prodigal son
Mar 31, 2013 - 1:22PM
Re: SPL 2

Mr Doncaster on the radio last night, saying his proposed reconstruction was the only game in town but also refusing to comment on SFL2. He said the clubs received the documentation on Sunday, and a vote would be held in a couple of weeks. He said his reconstruction would deliver, among other things, a pyramid structure.

Don't think the documentation that the clubs received is in the public domain. Perhaps it's a secret?

I haven't seen any proper proposal for a pyramid. (Has anyone?)

So, if most of the clubs were in favour a couple of months ago, but now aren't, then maybe something's changed, or the detail isn't what clubs were expecting when they initially indicated support.

Further up the thread, I speculated that SPL2 was the bogeyman to scare the wee clubs into voting for the proposal. I suppose it's only fair to offer the alternative view that the details presented to the clubs are designed to be unsupportable, and create the conditions where they can then launch SPL2, "to save the game".

Of course, I were feeling charitable, I might have concluded Mr Doncaster was presenting his "this year, or never" line to push this through in 2 weeks, and if that doesn't happen, then of course he'll re-present the proposal for next year. If this really is the only way forward, then waiting a year to implement would seem a small price to pay to keep everyone happy. That must be it. Surely.

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Mar 31st, 2013 - 1:22 PM
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Bette Noir
Mar 31, 2013 - 5:05PM
Re: SPL 2

Doncaster OUT

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prodigal son
Mar 31, 2013 - 8:54PM
Re: SPL 2

He's only there because the clubs support him. Same with Ogilvie, Regan and Longmuir. We have to assume they're all still in post because the club boards think they're doing an excellent job.

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Mar 31st, 2013 - 8:54 PM
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Not got a clue. FA Set up miles better.
Apr 1, 2013 - 9:03AM
Re: SPL 2

prodigal son
I haven't seen any proper proposal for a pyramid. (Has anyone?


Nope the idea has been put out the window now they seem to think a 12-12-18 leauge set up in scotland is idea but what about those 18 teams in the third, are we going to see the same team finish up at the bottom every season like the shire?
With clubs like Gretna went to the wall and Dunfermline in trouble now, the scotland football is going downhill at the moment surely a change and some sort of pyramid system for the likes of west and east of scotland junior teams to get into the football leauge like the one we see down england with blue square.
Its working down england why not have the same up here or is traveling to wick academy up north in december sound too much to ask thats why they arent voting for a pyramid system to be hiring in as if you have a 18 leauge division it sounds pretty dull with only one or two out of 18 getting promoted wow! and the way we are heading(East Fife) we could be part of this 18 team leauge that they are talking about.

come on lets say no to 12-12-18? no chance expand the SPL please? no wonder Dunfermline is in crisis its no rocket science

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Cambuslang Fifer
Apr 1, 2013 - 9:11AM
Re: SPL 2

Not got a clue. FA Set up miles better.
prodigal son
I haven't seen any proper proposal for a pyramid. (Has anyone?


Nope the idea has been put out the window now they seem to think a 12-12-18 leauge set up in scotland is idea but what about those 18 teams in the third, are we going to see the same team finish up at the bottom every season like the shire?
With clubs like Gretna went to the wall and Dunfermline in trouble now, the scotland football is going downhill at the moment surely a change and some sort of pyramid system for the likes of west and east of scotland junior teams to get into the football leauge like the one we see down england with blue square.
Its working down england why not have the same up here or is traveling to wick academy up north in december sound too much to ask thats why they arent voting for a pyramid system to be hiring in as if you have a 18 leauge division it sounds pretty dull with only one or two out of 18 getting promoted wow! and the way we are heading(East Fife) we could be part of this 18 team leauge that they are talking about.

come on lets say no to 12-12-18? no chance expand the SPL please? no wonder Dunfermline is in crisis its no rocket science


I agree with this, well said that person and 12-12-18 wont work and never will
One other thing they should scrap scottish cup replays and play extra time instead because we do have lots of call offs of games in scotland as of recent climate change to weather more and frozen pitch like that game at brechin but others may disagree on that as if you were playing the big ties at home or away in that cup a chance to take it to another game and more gate recepts blah blah i dunno

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Apr 1st, 2013 - 9:11 AM
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Fifer
Apr 3, 2013 - 2:52AM
Re: SPL 2

At the end of the day East Fife, like most SFL clubs, have no say in what goes. Whether we go up or down no one will takes us seriously. To be honest, a club like East Fife's aims should be to survive and maintain a decent core support. Getting results are not the strategic objectives of East Fife.

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sickened
Apr 3, 2013 - 10:52AM
Re: SPL 2

Fifer
At the end of the day East Fife, like most SFL clubs, have no say in what goes. Whether we go up or down no one will takes us seriously. To be honest, a club like East Fife's aims should be to survive and maintain a decent core support. Getting results are not the strategic objectives of East Fife.


This is exactly why so many people think it is no longer worth going to games. When fans think it is enough just to exist, we have reached the end point. There is no point in the club existing as a senior football team if it has no other objective but to survive.

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sport talk 5005
Apr 3, 2013 - 11:40AM
Re: SPL 2

But if reconstruction doesn't happen then they is a objective to go to games? You still have a few games left to save our season and follow the team so division two does happen for the club. We just need to pick up points to make it happen don't we?

Constrate on the season in front of us and see what they do in the summer folks. We aren't new to the football leauge or out of pocket you know, we are in division 2 and we hope the club remains that next season. Just need performances and results on the park.

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Apr 3rd, 2013 - 11:40 AM
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prodigal son
Apr 3, 2013 - 1:12PM
Re: SPL 2

Can't wait until the summer. The vote for reconstruction is in 2 weeks!

Would be good if they did push it back to the summer though, and then bring in any changes the season after next. Unfortunately, it seems the big clubs are trying to rush this, for whatever reason.

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Apr 3rd, 2013 - 1:12 PM
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sickened
Apr 3, 2013 - 1:28PM
Re: SPL 2

sport talk 5005
Constrate on the season in front of us and see what they do in the summer folks. We aren't new to the football leauge or out of pocket you know, we are in division 2 and we hope the club remains that next season. Just need performances and results on the park.


How blind can a supporter be? "We just need performances and results on the park." YOU DON'T SAY...
Here are the results on the park, for 2013

LOST
WON
DREW
DREW
DREW
LOST
LOST
LOST
LOST
LOST
DREW
LOST
LOST

Why do you think this form of the last three months is going to change? Going by the most recent evidence, this appalling season is going to get worse, not better.

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St Pauli Fifer
Apr 3, 2013 - 9:55PM
Re: SPL 2

Fifer
To be honest, a club like East Fife's aims should be to survive and maintain a decent core support. Getting results are not the strategic objectives of East Fife.


That could genuinely be the most shocking post I've ever read on AFTN.

If that's the case, you'll end up with less than 100 (if you're lucky) passionless fans watching East Fife (their get-out-of the house on a Saturday, hobby) every week. How can you get a 'decent core support' without results ? Folk are not stupid, they are seeing what other clubs can achieve.

What are the strategic objectives of Dumbarton and Cowdenbeath (or are they metaphorically, as well as literally, out of our league) ?

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Fifer
Apr 4, 2013 - 6:57PM
Re: SPL 2

Strategic decisions are long-term, tactical decision are medium term and are made to achieve the strategic decision. I said their strategic decision should be to survive and maintain a core support. So their tactical decision would be to get results.

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St Pauli Fifer
Apr 4, 2013 - 7:43PM
Re: SPL 2

So, if your post was to state the obvious, being we have the same objectives as all provincial Clubs (survive, maintain a core support AND get results - and this board would likely tell you they also share those objectives) why post it with, "to be honest..."? I don't see your point ?

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