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All good things come to an end. Or so they say. AFTN has been around since 1989, first as a fanzine and then making the jump to a website and forum in 2003. We've been through the many ups and down at East Fife in those 12 years but policing the forum has become a giant pain in the ass in recent years. As such, we made the decision not to renew it when it expired.

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This is not the end of AFTN though. The site will continue and will be revamped and return in its full glory for the start of the 2016/17 season. Maybe even sooner. There will be a comment sections and possibly even a new, registered forum. Check our Twitter (@aftnwebsite) for all the latest info and we'll also post in on the EFFC memories Facebook page.

Until then, have a last browse here, thanks for all your support over the years, and 'Mon the Fife.

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Re: 20 seasons.

Interesting statistics but not too sure of the point being made Tamsun?
So, does this mean we simply sit back, accept our diddiness fate and watch a style of football that is putting it bluntly...fecking atrocious?
Do we support a manager who has not got a friggin clue how to manage a team?

Personally, after 20 odd years of following this club I'm no longer really that bothered to be honest and doubt very much I'll attend any more games this season.
From what I seen and heard on Saturday many have had enough wont be long until the club are scrapping by on barely 300 on a Saturday.

Juniors is pretty much where East Fife belong and I think they'd struggle even at that level.

Re: 20 seasons.

I only looked at this as,like many others, I long for a time when there was some optimism regarding East Fife. In the 1960s when I first started to attend games we were usually just short of being promoted to the top tier - which had 18 teams then.
In the fifties, when we were a force in the top league there was full employment and the local economy was relatively bouyant and there was little competition from other activities. In the 70s the spell in the top league co-incided with the oil rig jobs at RGC, DCL opening and the last few years of employment in the pits. Basically, the success of a team like East Fife is linked to the economy of the area, the effective stewardship of those running the club and their ability to garner resources for it to make progress.

Basically in the last 20 years these have not been present in any real degree for East Fife. The history of Scottish football is littered with teams from small communities who are no longer present in the senior game - although many of these foundered in the years before the last war. Levenmouth has no divine right to have a team in the senior leagues and the performance of the team shows that East Fife is very much a small team and unless something changes, it will remain in the lower echelons in a country where the game in general is in decline.

Personally, I share the despair of watching a team that is struggling to succeed against the 'dross' in the poorest league in Scotland. Whether Naysmith is the right man for this club in this situation is, in my view, debatable at least. However, until there are other changes, for example, in the ownership and stewardship of the club our ambitions need to be very moderate and the job of being East Fife manager will remain a bit of a poisoned chalice.

Since Archibald got promotion we have done well for a season and a bit with Jim Moffat ( who the board did not have the resources to support in Div2 as it was) and Dave Baikie ( who was supported by the then Chairman, Mr Gray).
Other than that John Robertson did OK for a while but since him, Crawford, Durie and Naysmithmight all have done better had the club invested (or been able to) in an experienced assistant. Maybe there's a role for a Dick Campbell figure now, or perhaps Davie Clarke might have provided a support for Crawford or Durie.

Re: 20 seasons.

Not much will change under present owner or board. This is our level and as each season passes I become less bothered. I can't see how things are going to get better either and let's face it, the majority in the local community couldn't give a **** about EF and certainly wouldn't pay that kind of cash to watch that standard of football when you can watch it for free in a local council park. Tough times ahead indeed.

Re: 20 seasons.

Jeek
Interesting statistics but not too sure of the point being made Tamsun?
So, does this mean we simply sit back, accept our diddiness fate and watch a style of football that is putting it bluntly...fecking atrocious?
Do we support a manager who has not got a friggin clue how to manage a team?

Personally, after 20 odd years of following this club I'm no longer really that bothered to be honest and doubt very much I'll attend any more games this season.
From what I seen and heard on Saturday many have had enough wont be long until the club are scrapping by on barely 300 on a Saturday.

Juniors is pretty much where East Fife belong and I think they'd struggle even at that level.


Didn`t Gary Naysmith comment that if things weren't working for him at Bayview then he would walk? If that was the case then he should have walked ages ago.
The supporters have been more than patient with him but the reality is that he is failing in his job as Manager.

I can certainly appreciate the concerns of previous posters but what I cannot agree with is the acceptance of this is as good as it gets. Long serving supporters are not coming back and others are questioning whether they should return and continue watching such rank rotten performances.

Gary Naysmith has always been honest in his interviews but now is the time for him to be honest with himself, be honest with the club, be honest with the supporters and admit he has tried his best and let someone else take over.

Re: 20 seasons.

Had Enough
Didn`t Gary Naysmith comment that if things weren't working for him at Bayview then he would walk?

Quite the opposite. He's on the lookout for a goalkeeper, a left midfielder and a centre forward. See the forthcoming East Fife Mail.

Re: 20 seasons.

DPH
Not much will change under present owner or board. This is our level and as each season passes I become less bothered. I can't see how things are going to get better either and let's face it, the majority in the local community couldn't give a **** about EF and certainly wouldn't pay that kind of cash to watch that standard of football when you can watch it for free in a local council park. Tough times ahead indeed.



The majority of the local community haven't given a **** about East Fife for several decades now. It isn't a new phenomena that. The majority of them are more interested in Rangers or Celtic and the English Premiership, irrespective of how well East Fife do. The majority of them don't even attend live matches anywhere, but take great pride in wearing their colours walking down Leven High Street.

Can you explain who can do any better at board level? Remember, it has to be financed, so who is going to finance it? Where does the money come from?

In my view, not much will change unless the fans we have still got, start supporting instead of trying to destroy East Fife. The wrong thing to do is to reduce the income through the gates! Maybe if there were more positive comments on this site for example, it might encourage the owners/board or whoever, to invest that little bit more? One thing that we can be sure of, is that the constant bile we see regularly on AFTN, achieves absolutely f-all, zilch, nuthing!

Re: 20 seasons.

The problem is the constant bile on here is a refection of what's happening on the park.

Re: 20 seasons.

Here we have it folks.

Its all the moaning fans fault.


Unbe*******lievable ****e you spout.

Re: 20 seasons.

FPS
DPH
Not much will change under present owner or board. This is our level and as each season passes I become less bothered. I can't see how things are going to get better either and let's face it, the majority in the local community couldn't give a **** about EF and certainly wouldn't pay that kind of cash to watch that standard of football when you can watch it for free in a local council park. Tough times ahead indeed.



The majority of the local community haven't given a **** about East Fife for several decades now. It isn't a new phenomena that. The majority of them are more interested in Rangers or Celtic and the English Premiership, irrespective of how well East Fife do. The majority of them don't even attend live matches anywhere, but take great pride in wearing their colours walking down Leven High Street.

Can you explain who can do any better at board level? Remember, it has to be financed, so who is going to finance it? Where does the money come from?

In my view, not much will change unless the fans we have still got, start supporting instead of trying to destroy East Fife. The wrong thing to do is to reduce the income through the gates! Maybe if there were more positive comments on this site for example, it might encourage the owners/board or whoever, to invest that little bit more? One thing that we can be sure of, is that the constant bile we see regularly on AFTN, achieves absolutely f-all, zilch, nuthing!


That last paragraph is absolutely incredible! What a blinkered and deluded view of the current mess East Fife are in.
People are posting on here, not because they are trying to destroy East Fife. They are posting on here because they are sick to death of turning up and being subjected to anti-football, caused by a Manager and his coaching staff.
How on Gods name can you expect any football fan, whether an East Fife supporter or not, to contribute positive posts after enduring , what is it? 2 wins in 13? and 2 years of misery is beyond me!

Re: 20 seasons.

M.Riley
FPS
DPH
Not much will change under present owner or board. This is our level and as each season passes I become less bothered. I can't see how things are going to get better either and let's face it, the majority in the local community couldn't give a **** about EF and certainly wouldn't pay that kind of cash to watch that standard of football when you can watch it for free in a local council park. Tough times ahead indeed.



The majority of the local community haven't given a **** about East Fife for several decades now. It isn't a new phenomena that. The majority of them are more interested in Rangers or Celtic and the English Premiership, irrespective of how well East Fife do. The majority of them don't even attend live matches anywhere, but take great pride in wearing their colours walking down Leven High Street.

Can you explain who can do any better at board level? Remember, it has to be financed, so who is going to finance it? Where does the money come from?

In my view, not much will change unless the fans we have still got, start supporting instead of trying to destroy East Fife. The wrong thing to do is to reduce the income through the gates! Maybe if there were more positive comments on this site for example, it might encourage the owners/board or whoever, to invest that little bit more? One thing that we can be sure of, is that the constant bile we see regularly on AFTN, achieves absolutely f-all, zilch, nuthing!




That last paragraph is absolutely incredible! What a blinkered and deluded view of the current mess East Fife are in.
People are posting on here, not because they are trying to destroy East Fife. They are posting on here because they are sick to death of turning up and being subjected to anti-football, caused by a Manager and his coaching staff.
How on Gods name can you expect any football fan, whether an East Fife supporter or not, to contribute positive posts after enduring , what is it? 2 wins in 13? and 2 years of misery is beyond me!




Well said that man!

Re: 20 seasons.

FPS
DPH
Not much will change under present owner or board. This is our level and as each season passes I become less bothered. I can't see how things are going to get better either and let's face it, the majority in the local community couldn't give a **** about EF and certainly wouldn't pay that kind of cash to watch that standard of football when you can watch it for free in a local council park. Tough times ahead indeed.



The majority of the local community haven't given a **** about East Fife for several decades now. It isn't a new phenomena that. The majority of them are more interested in Rangers or Celtic and the English Premiership, irrespective of how well East Fife do. The majority of them don't even attend live matches anywhere, but take great pride in wearing their colours walking down Leven High Street.

Can you explain who can do any better at board level? Remember, it has to be financed, so who is going to finance it? Where does the money come from?

In my view, not much will change unless the fans we have still got, start supporting instead of trying to destroy East Fife. The wrong thing to do is to reduce the income through the gates! Maybe if there were more positive comments on this site for example, it might encourage the owners/board or whoever, to invest that little bit more? One thing that we can be sure of, is that the constant bile we see regularly on AFTN, achieves absolutely f-all, zilch, nuthing!


Can you explain why we've had bigger attendances and paid a higher admission price than teams who have done continually better than us over the last 20 seasons, and continue to do far better than us? Is that the laughable board or the moaning fans? Probably the worst board in lower league football.

Re: 20 seasons.

Jack
Had Enough
Didn`t Gary Naysmith comment that if things weren't working for him at Bayview then he would walk?

Quite the opposite. He's on the lookout for a goalkeeper, a left midfielder and a centre forward. See the forthcoming East Fife Mail.


were we not looking for a goalkeeper then wasn't giving a deal after montrose game? many matches we had one goalkeeper with our goalkeeper coach about the same age as a robert douglas as back-up on many games, looks like kieran is away with us looking for a replacement and for forwards the best we can get and sign will be fash's brother who still far away from a starting place in this league at best...with the lack of players to attract to east fife and not a lot of money to spend we all believe we are heading back to the days we can afford free agents and the next kenny deuchar or greig mcdonald to come along and play the days we won the league under moffat and broon era as a chairman maybe even the lower leagues traveling to edinburgh play spartans on astroturf surface with lesser attendances than current.
with the manager to leave i reckon it be hefty compensation for east fife to pay the current player/manager off from his current contract thats why east fife can't afford to sack him anytime or leaving us unless another club takes him on as the next crawford assistant role elsewhere or we can afford his compensation fee after a few years later when it lowers. We all wanted gary to have been successful and so far has had two attempts of lifting us from league two and failied to achieve anything than play-offs and relegation my fear is there isn't much in this league in terms of league points with east stirling able to sign morton loanee's then beating stirling at home there we may slip further down the league which isn't good as a supporter to see, the lack of aims, recent signings and current board members and econemy lifestyle of levenmouth we look doomed and going nowhere had our success now its Elgin, Annan's and Albion's delights. I think money raising for astroturf is a question? the money could have been used to strengthen the football team and bring in signings, leaving the off field problems till the season has been finished and had our eyes on this league from all members at east fife so far we look very lost.