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All good things come to an end. Or so they say. AFTN has been around since 1989, first as a fanzine and then making the jump to a website and forum in 2003. We've been through the many ups and down at East Fife in those 12 years but policing the forum has become a giant pain in the ass in recent years. As such, we made the decision not to renew it when it expired.

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Davie Clarke
Nov 7, 2013 - 7:30PM
Re: The case for change

Columbo
fan
Columbo
Does anybody in football these days? Did David Moyes? He was chosen before Ferguson quit and there were no other candidates interviewed. Do you think he should be sacked, bearing in mind he inherited a league winning team and didn't start from scratch?


That's a poor argument. Several successful seasons at Everton in full public gaze made Moyes an outstanding candidate for the job. And of course Manchester United examined the whole field for a new manager. By the time Ferguson went public with his retirement announcement, the club knew exactly who they wanted be his successor.

East Fife, on the other hand, appointed an unknown, unproven, inexperienced candidate who happens to be a friend of the physio, without giving anyone else proper consideration. You reap what you sow.

Am I really contributing to a discussion which draws a parallel between Moyes and Aitchison, and Man Utd and East Fife? Bonkers.



And has that stopped fans & various media people calling for his head? Moyes was experienced, successful at Everton without actually winning much actually and an outstanding candidate, but results have not been good enough at Man Utd, so same as what is happening at East Fife, people are calling for the managers head. That is a parallel to me. New managers, poor results overall, people wanting them sacked. If anything, the fact that Moyes had a proven track record and inherited a winning team, compared to Aitchison starting a team from scratch, suggests that Moyes is doing a worse job?


Jesus wept.

Moyes was hand-picked by the trusted Ferguson. Moyes is a proven football manager. Aitchison has done nothing in management, NOTHING. He's been finally given a chance at 55 years old when no one else ever would and now could barely do a worse job results-wise if he even tried to. We are at the bottom end of the table with one of the better squads in the league and out of every cup possible in the first round. This is supposed to be a revolution not the usual relegation fight. Moyes can still win the league and European Cup. Aitchison is making an arse of a good squad. Your Moyes argument is so lame it probably illustrates all the more why Aitchison should be thanked for his efforts and will never manage senior again after East Fife.

You sound like a spin doctor. You probably wanted the last disastrous appointments to stay too. They've sure gone on to prove themselves as managers since us eh? It's like a former fan favourite said "your board don't know what they're doing"

Thing is, he's right. Look at our appointments. It's not even funny. We've still got the same board.

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WullieBroonIsGod
Nov 6, 2013 - 12:06PM
Re: The case for change

still waiting
Anyone remember a while ago Aitchison said we were going to give a team a doing and score a load of goals?


That will have been the Leven United friendly...

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Noisy Crossbar
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:22AM
Re: The case for change

detective
Noisy Crossbar
eh?
Who the hell is Dougie Anderson????


If only the internet had some sort of search facility where you could type in a few keywords and a list of relevant web pages was returned to you.

I think there might be a business opportunity here - WATCH THIS SPACE.


Em...I think your attempt to provide a sarcastic post has failed somewhat. I just googled him and I can report that I found NOTHING!

[Surprise, surprise!!)


I think it's your attempt to use google that failed bud!

I managed to get his photo, employment history and home address.

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Noisy Crossbar
Nov 7, 2013 - 7:51PM
Re: The case for change

The arrangement may well have been that Brian makes the footballing decisions.

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East Fife Fan
Nov 7, 2013 - 9:49PM
Re: The case for change

Let's give the guy a chance, a couple of wins and were right back in the mix.

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DLA
Nov 7, 2013 - 10:18PM
Re: The case for change

East Fife Fan
Let's give the guy a chance, a couple of wins and were right back in the mix.

[/quote

Do you mean like a couple of wins in the next few games? Certainly the players we have are more than capable of winning the next 2 games.
What would your opinion be if say we got 1 point over the next 2 games?

Time is running out for the Manager and I pray he puts a team out on Saturday that has a go rather than contain the opposition. The players are better than that.

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BT
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:14PM
Re: The case for change

Its just a matter of time but it looks like we are going to go through the motions and throw away a few mire points before the smell of the coffee reaches the board room

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Columbo
Nov 7, 2013 - 11:45PM
Re: The case for change

DLA
East Fife Fan
Let's give the guy a chance, a couple of wins and were right back in the mix.

[/quote

Do you mean like a couple of wins in the next few games? Certainly the players we have are more than capable of winning the next 2 games.
What would your opinion be if say we got 1 point over the next 2 games?

Time is running out for the Manager and I pray he puts a team out on Saturday that has a go rather than contain the opposition. The players are better than that.


But some people are not wanting to give him the next two games, are they? It is just as easy to ask, what would your opinion be if he took 6 points over the next two games. Purely hypothetical question you have put, suggesting that because he might only get 1 point, he should be sacked before he can prove otherwise. As for the players, they are not completely blameless for the poor results! Have you not witnessed some of the defensive errors? Bad decision making by players on the pitch at times, have cost us dearly. Not only in defence, but also in attack, by not taking clear chances to score, witness Durie's shot with only the keeper to beat against Forfar, when he couldn't even get it on target. Aitchison's fault?

Besides, have we not just taken 3 out of 6 points against two of the best teams in the league in our last two league games?

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Columbo
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:03AM
Re: The case for change

Davie Clarke
Columbo
fan
Columbo
Does anybody in football these days? Did David Moyes? He was chosen before Ferguson quit and there were no other candidates interviewed. Do you think he should be sacked, bearing in mind he inherited a league winning team and didn't start from scratch?


That's a poor argument. Several successful seasons at Everton in full public gaze made Moyes an outstanding candidate for the job. And of course Manchester United examined the whole field for a new manager. By the time Ferguson went public with his retirement announcement, the club knew exactly who they wanted be his successor.

East Fife, on the other hand, appointed an unknown, unproven, inexperienced candidate who happens to be a friend of the physio, without giving anyone else proper consideration. You reap what you sow.

Am I really contributing to a discussion which draws a parallel between Moyes and Aitchison, and Man Utd and East Fife? Bonkers.



And has that stopped fans & various media people calling for his head? Moyes was experienced, successful at Everton without actually winning much actually and an outstanding candidate, but results have not been good enough at Man Utd, so same as what is happening at East Fife, people are calling for the managers head. That is a parallel to me. New managers, poor results overall, people wanting them sacked. If anything, the fact that Moyes had a proven track record and inherited a winning team, compared to Aitchison starting a team from scratch, suggests that Moyes is doing a worse job?


Jesus wept.

Moyes was hand-picked by the trusted Ferguson. Moyes is a proven football manager. Aitchison has done nothing in management, NOTHING. He's been finally given a chance at 55 years old when no one else ever would and now could barely do a worse job results-wise if he even tried to. We are at the bottom end of the table with one of the better squads in the league and out of every cup possible in the first round. This is supposed to be a revolution not the usual relegation fight. Moyes can still win the league and European Cup. Aitchison is making an arse of a good squad. Your Moyes argument is so lame it probably illustrates all the more why Aitchison should be thanked for his efforts and will never manage senior again after East Fife.

You sound like a spin doctor. You probably wanted the last disastrous appointments to stay too. They've sure gone on to prove themselves as managers since us eh? It's like a former fan favourite said "your board don't know what they're doing"

Thing is, he's right. Look at our appointments. It's not even funny. We've still got the same board.


I am not calling for Moyes's head any more than I am calling for Aitchison's. Read the sports pages and you will find there are many questions on Moyes's ability to take Man Utd forward. It is certainly not me saying that, but I am not burying my head in the sand and ignoring what is happening at other clubs that are not doing as well as expected, just like us! It is reasonable to compare, if you are a reasonable thinking type person.

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fife fan
Nov 8, 2013 - 10:02AM
Re: The case for change

Columbo
As for the players, they are not completely blameless for the poor results! Have you not witnessed some of the defensive errors? Bad decision making by players on the pitch at times, have cost us dearly. Not only in defence, but also in attack, by not taking clear chances to score, witness Durie's shot with only the keeper to beat against Forfar, when he couldn't even get it on target. Aitchison's fault?


These are Aitchison's players. These are Aitchison's team selections. These are Aitchison's tactics. The errors are ultimately Aitchison's responsibility. If players are making mistakes and letting a manager down, that is the manager's problem.

You point to "bad decision making by players on the pitch" as an excuse. Don't you realise that this means a team is failing? This is why teams lose. This is why teams get relegated. It is not an excuse to look for, it is the heart of the problem. If players are making mistakes, the manager should be fixing this. Aitchison can't do that. We know that. The game is up.

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Kipper
Nov 8, 2013 - 10:41AM
Re: The case for change

Just read could be brian making footballing decisions if this is the case why have a manager just let the so
Called physio run the team oh i forgot he does and we all follow like lost sheep.

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Columbo
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:08AM
Re: The case for change

fife fan
Columbo
As for the players, they are not completely blameless for the poor results! Have you not witnessed some of the defensive errors? Bad decision making by players on the pitch at times, have cost us dearly. Not only in defence, but also in attack, by not taking clear chances to score, witness Durie's shot with only the keeper to beat against Forfar, when he couldn't even get it on target. Aitchison's fault?


These are Aitchison's players. These are Aitchison's team selections. These are Aitchison's tactics. The errors are ultimately Aitchison's responsibility. If players are making mistakes and letting a manager down, that is the manager's problem.

You point to "bad decision making by players on the pitch" as an excuse. Don't you realise that this means a team is failing? This is why teams lose. This is why teams get relegated. It is not an excuse to look for, it is the heart of the problem. If players are making mistakes, the manager should be fixing this. Aitchison can't do that. We know that. The game is up.


You have a very simplistic approach which does not make sense. Every one of us has a responsibility for our actions in all walks of life. If I was given a job to do and I did it differently which cost my company money, then it wouldn't be my gaffer to blame, it would be me!
In the case of Durie shooting wide, you still blame the manager! That beggars belief! The passage of play that led up to that, is how the manager wants the team to play, but if the end result is a player shooting wide, then how can that be the managers fault?

I refer you to the many posts criticising some players this season as not being good enough. So, who is right? Is it those saying the manager is to blame, or those who are blaming players? Or could it be both? Or could it be that after the next two games, we are 6 points better off and there is no need to blame anybody? Here's hoping!

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Columbo
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:14PM
Re: The case for change

By the way Scott (Durie), no criticism of you, I was only using that incident to highlight that the manager cannot be blamed for it. I fully understand that everything doesn't go to plan and if it was that easy, then football wouldn't be worth watching. You have proven that you can score goals, so hope you are in the team this weekend again.

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VT
Nov 8, 2013 - 12:39PM
Re: The case for change

Columbo
By the way Scott (Durie), no criticism of you, I was only using that incident to highlight that the manager cannot be blamed for it. I fully understand that everything doesn't go to plan and if it was that easy, then football wouldn't be worth watching. You have proven that you can score goals, so hope you are in the team this weekend again.


what a creep you are. you did criticise durie but you don't have the balls to live with it.
why did we end up with a full-back in the goal-scoring position at the end of such a wonderfully coached move that it would have had the dutch and the argentines purring with approval? must be the player's fault, as you say. they are all liabilities. not like the manager, he's brilliant. i mean, he's proved that, hasn't he? no-one can take wullie's vast experience away from him. mainly because he doesn't have any to take away.

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Fifey
Nov 8, 2013 - 1:08PM
Re: The case for change

My God. What a right bunch of supporters you lot are! Dissecting people's performances like you were/are all experts! Some of you say the manager lacks experience? Who the fuck are you to ask that question? I suppose you all have coaching badges?

This club is starting a new era and the people involved are dedicated guys trying their level best to make progress and all you lot can do is critisize, players and the manager.

No one can say you don't follow East Fife .Fc home and away, no one can say you don't shout and push the team on the park, but my God you don't half haver some shite on here.

Email  
Nov 8th, 2013 - 1:08 PM
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Made me smile
Nov 8, 2013 - 1:35PM
Re: The case for change

Fifey
My God. What a right bunch of supporters you lot are! Dissecting people's performances like you were/are all experts! Some of you say the manager lacks experience? Who the fuck are you to ask that question? I suppose you all have coaching badges?

This club is starting a new era and the people involved are dedicated guys trying their level best to make progress and all you lot can do is critisize, players and the manager.

No one can say you don't follow East Fife .Fc home and away, no one can say you don't shout and push the team on the park, but my God you don't half haver some shite on here.


Very well stated, haver sums it up. Some people on here seem to have their own agenda on here, some seem to have conversations with themselves under different names, and some give themselves away as to who they are. People are working hard, off the pitch has made massive improvements, money is coming into the club and hopefully the football side will follow soon. Last season the team was not performing well, not being relegated was seen like getting promotion and the corporate side was not performing either. This meant less money for the football side. There is a catch up to be done in financial terms that does not happen overnight.

It would appear that some people post on here when they think they know something when what they have is half a conversation and the rest they make up to suit themselves. There are also people on here with "grudges" that are just plain making things up to cause trouble - insiders, or more likely ex insiders. They just don't see the bigger picture that its not all about them or who they have grudge about, its about EFFC. Be proud that people are working hard, that the club is looking good, look to the future and stop havering shite. (Trademark Fifey)

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Columbo
Nov 8, 2013 - 2:16PM
Re: The case for change

Made me smile
Fifey
My God. What a right bunch of supporters you lot are! Dissecting people's performances like you were/are all experts! Some of you say the manager lacks experience? Who the fuck are you to ask that question? I suppose you all have coaching badges?

This club is starting a new era and the people involved are dedicated guys trying their level best to make progress and all you lot can do is critisize, players and the manager.

No one can say you don't follow East Fife .Fc home and away, no one can say you don't shout and push the team on the park, but my God you don't half haver some shite on here.


Very well stated, haver sums it up. Some people on here seem to have their own agenda on here, some seem to have conversations with themselves under different names, and some give themselves away as to who they are. People are working hard, off the pitch has made massive improvements, money is coming into the club and hopefully the football side will follow soon. Last season the team was not performing well, not being relegated was seen like getting promotion and the corporate side was not performing either. This meant less money for the football side. There is a catch up to be done in financial terms that does not happen overnight.

It would appear that some people post on here when they think they know something when what they have is half a conversation and the rest they make up to suit themselves. There are also people on here with "grudges" that are just plain making things up to cause trouble - insiders, or more likely ex insiders. They just don't see the bigger picture that its not all about them or who they have grudge about, its about EFFC. Be proud that people are working hard, that the club is looking good, look to the future and stop havering shite. (Trademark Fifey)


Two excellent posts. I hope you guys don't think I was having a go at the players and Scott in particular. I was just trying to get across that it is wrong to blame the manager solely for the poor results. I was at Forfar and I left thinking that we were robbed, but importantly the manager had the team playing good football, (the reason I thought we were robbed). There is still work to do, but unfortunately, there is an element on this forum that do not have the patience to give him time to hone the team into a really good side that can go places. We are attracting good players to East Fife. Take Stephen Hughes, he was head and shoulders above anybody in the Forfar side, but we had others in our team that were not far behind him. I think we can attract more players of his calibre, because they can see the club is trying to go places and Bayview is a good place to be for them.

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Fifey
Nov 8, 2013 - 2:58PM
Re: The case for change

Not at all Columbo, knew what you meant.

Email  
Nov 8th, 2013 - 2:58 PM
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Magnum PI
Nov 8, 2013 - 3:12PM
Re: The case for change

Fifey
My God. What a right bunch of supporters you lot are! Dissecting people's performances like you were/are all experts! Some of you say the manager lacks experience? Who the fuck are you to ask that question? I suppose you all have coaching badges?

This club is starting a new era and the people involved are dedicated guys trying their level best to make progress and all you lot can do is critisize, players and the manager.

No one can say you don't follow East Fife .Fc home and away, no one can say you don't shout and push the team on the park, but my God you don't half haver some shite on here.


Certainly a new era.
The unfortunate thing is we are heading into yet another relegation dog fight.
Hardly an indication of progress.

With the right manager in place I suspect we could do ok.

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Dixon of Dock Green
Nov 8, 2013 - 3:27PM
Re: The case for change

Magnum PI
Fifey
My God. What a right bunch of supporters you lot are! Dissecting people's performances like you were/are all experts! Some of you say the manager lacks experience? Who the fuck are you to ask that question? I suppose you all have coaching badges?

This club is starting a new era and the people involved are dedicated guys trying their level best to make progress and all you lot can do is critisize, players and the manager.

No one can say you don't follow East Fife .Fc home and away, no one can say you don't shout and push the team on the park, but my God you don't half haver some shite on here.


Certainly a new era.
The unfortunate thing is we are heading into yet another relegation dog fight.
Hardly an indication of progress.

With the right manager in place I suspect we could do ok.


'Ello, 'ello, 'ello... Wot we got 'ere then, anovva whinga? Well oi nevva!

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I give up!!!
Nov 8, 2013 - 4:36PM
Re: The case for change

With the right manager in place I suspect we could do ok.[/quote]
Yes you suspect but like everyone else you just don't know!

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Terracing Now!
Nov 8, 2013 - 5:46PM
Re: The case for change

People are simply frustrated that all the undoubted progress off the field is not being matched by the same progress on it.

My fear is that the continuation of the poor results will end in the humiliation of relegation, which will kill all the progress and investment off the pitch stone dead. The thought of bottom tier football is just too bad to contemplate and would be the final straw for those of us that have had to put up with dross for far too long.

We could and should be doing much, much better. And I'm afraid it's the manager who has to take full responsibility for that.

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fifer
Nov 8, 2013 - 6:14PM
Re: The case for change

Made me smile
There are people on here with "grudges" that are just plain making things up to cause trouble - insiders, or more likely ex insiders. They just don't see the bigger picture that its not all about them or who they have grudge about, its about EFFC. Be proud that people are working hard, that the club is looking good, look to the future and stop havering shite.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would they be insiders or ex-insiders? Why should they not be plain old supporters who call a spade a spade when we sit second bottom of the league, out of all three cups at the first round, lowest scoring record in scotland

"Be proud that people are working hard" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is just hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so proud to be an East Fife supporter. People work hard at East Fife. You would not know how proud that makes me. Football means nothing, it is all about celebrating hard work. There are not many clubs where people work as hard as East Fife. Maybe we will get extra bonus league points for being SUCH HARD WORKERS

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Urban Licks
Nov 8, 2013 - 7:18PM
Re: The case for change

East Fife, second bottom of the league, out of all cups at first go and a fan base that is yet again giving up.
Yeah, we have a board that seem to be working hard behind the scenes blah blah.
Fact is the team are still shite and unless things pick up very soon no-one will really give a fuck. Just another disaster of a season for Fifes worst team.
I`m of the opinion we have a half decent set up behind the scenes its just a pity same can't be said for whats on pitch as that's the driver in all of this.

Moaners are entitled to moan. We`re just as shite as last year and the year before that.

Atchison is not experienced nor qualified to bring success to this club. Seems pretty fucking obvious to most people but hey, carry on defending the dross on grass all you like. Bit like this time last year and look where we ended up.

Something seriously wrong in the boardroom if they can't see whats pretty fucking obvious to most people.

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BT
Nov 8, 2013 - 7:48PM
Re: The case for change

fifer
Made me smile
There are people on here with "grudges" that are just plain making things up to cause trouble - insiders, or more likely ex insiders. They just don't see the bigger picture that its not all about them or who they have grudge about, its about EFFC. Be proud that people are working hard, that the club is looking good, look to the future and stop havering shite.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would they be insiders or ex-insiders? Why should they not be plain old supporters who call a spade a spade when we sit second bottom of the league, out of all three cups at the first round, lowest scoring record in scotland

"Be proud that people are working hard" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is just hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so proud to be an East Fife supporter. People work hard at East Fife. You would not know how proud that makes me. Football means nothing, it is all about celebrating hard work. There are not many clubs where people work as hard as East Fife. Maybe we will get extra bonus league points for being SUCH HARD WORKERS


Spot on fifer i nearly hit the bottle when i Read those posts mind you we have to comend their support for his dad, oops did i just let something out the bag.......

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Suburban Mr James
Nov 8, 2013 - 7:50PM
Re: The case for change

Urban Licks
East Fife, second bottom of the league, out of all cups at first go and a fan base that is yet again giving up.
Yeah, we have a board that seem to be working hard behind the scenes blah blah.
Fact is the team are still shite and unless things pick up very soon no-one will really give a fuck. Just another disaster of a season for Fifes worst team.
I`m of the opinion we have a half decent set up behind the scenes its just a pity same can't be said for whats on pitch as that's the driver in all of this.

Moaners are entitled to moan. We`re just as shite as last year and the year before that.

Atchison is not experienced nor qualified to bring success to this club. Seems pretty fucking obvious to most people but hey, carry on defending the dross on grass all you like. Bit like this time last year and look where we ended up.

Something seriously wrong in the boardroom if they can't see whats pretty fucking obvious to most people.


Oh yeah, same solution as last year and the year before that (blah, f'n blah), to change our fortunes. Do you never learn? Changing managers every half season or so, is NOT the solution.

And don't say most people know what is obvious, cos you do not have a clue what most people think.

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Terracing Now!
Nov 8, 2013 - 7:58PM
Re: The case for change

It's not about when we appoint a new manager, it's about who we appoint. Time after the time we get the wrong man (aka the cheap option).

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Urban Licks
Nov 8, 2013 - 8:10PM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
East Fife, second bottom of the league, out of all cups at first go and a fan base that is yet again giving up.
Yeah, we have a board that seem to be working hard behind the scenes blah blah.
Fact is the team are still shite and unless things pick up very soon no-one will really give a fuck. Just another disaster of a season for Fifes worst team.
I`m of the opinion we have a half decent set up behind the scenes its just a pity same can't be said for whats on pitch as that's the driver in all of this.

Moaners are entitled to moan. We`re just as shite as last year and the year before that.

Atchison is not experienced nor qualified to bring success to this club. Seems pretty fucking obvious to most people but hey, carry on defending the dross on grass all you like. Bit like this time last year and look where we ended up.

Something seriously wrong in the boardroom if they can't see whats pretty fucking obvious to most people.


Oh yeah, same solution as last year and the year before that (blah, f'n blah), to change our fortunes. Do you never learn? Changing managers every half season or so, is NOT the solution.

And don't say most people know what is obvious, cos you do not have a clue what most people think.



You change the manager until you find one that's decent.
So far we`ve not had much luck but then so far we`ve appointed pretty poor choices to be honest with the exception of Robertson. Crawford, Durie and Brown were bad decisions. Fact.

And you say i don't have a clue?!

Fucking laughable.

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Suburban Mr James
Nov 8, 2013 - 8:16PM
Re: The case for change

Urban Licks
Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
East Fife, second bottom of the league, out of all cups at first go and a fan base that is yet again giving up.
Yeah, we have a board that seem to be working hard behind the scenes blah blah.
Fact is the team are still shite and unless things pick up very soon no-one will really give a fuck. Just another disaster of a season for Fifes worst team.
I`m of the opinion we have a half decent set up behind the scenes its just a pity same can't be said for whats on pitch as that's the driver in all of this.

Moaners are entitled to moan. We`re just as shite as last year and the year before that.

Atchison is not experienced nor qualified to bring success to this club. Seems pretty fucking obvious to most people but hey, carry on defending the dross on grass all you like. Bit like this time last year and look where we ended up.

Something seriously wrong in the boardroom if they can't see whats pretty fucking obvious to most people.


Oh yeah, same solution as last year and the year before that (blah, f'n blah), to change our fortunes. Do you never learn? Changing managers every half season or so, is NOT the solution.

And don't say most people know what is obvious, cos you do not have a clue what most people think.



You change the manager until you find one that's decent.
So far we`ve not had much luck but then so far we`ve appointed pretty poor choices to be honest with the exception of Robertson. Crawford, Durie and Brown were bad decisions. Fact.

And you say i don't have a clue?!

Fucking laughable.


I don't need to say you don't have a clue. You are doing a good job of saying that yourself. Fact!

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Suburban Mr James
Nov 8, 2013 - 8:25PM
Re: The case for change

Terracing Now!
It's not about when we appoint a new manager, it's about who we appoint. Time after the time we get the wrong man (aka the cheap option).


You don't seem to get it. If you are only giving a manager a few months to build a team, it's been proven at East Fife, that doesn't work. Give the manager time and then judge him. Did the chairman not say that he would be happy to finish mid-table in his first season at Bayview? That is definitely achievable, only 4 points separate 5th - 9th position, so why the hysteria?

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Magnum PI
Nov 8, 2013 - 8:34PM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
Terracing Now!
It's not about when we appoint a new manager, it's about who we appoint. Time after the time we get the wrong man (aka the cheap option).


You don't seem to get it. If you are only giving a manager a few months to build a team, it's been proven at East Fife, that doesn't work. Give the manager time and then judge him. Did the chairman not say that he would be happy to finish mid-table in his first season at Bayview? That is definitely achievable, only 4 points separate 5th - 9th position, so why the hysteria?



Lol you're a dick!

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Suburban Mr James
Nov 8, 2013 - 8:41PM
Re: The case for change

Magnum PI
Suburban Mr James
Terracing Now!
It's not about when we appoint a new manager, it's about who we appoint. Time after the time we get the wrong man (aka the cheap option).


You don't seem to get it. If you are only giving a manager a few months to build a team, it's been proven at East Fife, that doesn't work. Give the manager time and then judge him. Did the chairman not say that he would be happy to finish mid-table in his first season at Bayview? That is definitely achievable, only 4 points separate 5th - 9th position, so why the hysteria?



Lol you're a dick!


Wow! What a well thought out response! Have you ever thought about taking up politics with those debating skills you possess?

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Terracing Now!
Nov 8, 2013 - 8:45PM
Re: The case for change

With the piss poor quality of politicians we have today he'd do well. And we could do with a bit of straight talking.

And I bet his dick is bigger than yours Mr James...

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Suburban Mr James
Nov 8, 2013 - 8:53PM
Re: The case for change

Terracing Now!
With the piss poor quality of politicians we have today he'd do well. And we could do with a bit of straight talking.

And I bet his dick is bigger than yours Mr James...



No doubt. Maybe we should have elections every 6 months or so to improve the standard of politicians? Thank god for the East Fife supporters sorting out the country, eh? What brilliant minds we have in our midst!

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Kojak
Nov 8, 2013 - 10:05PM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
Terracing Now!
It's not about when we appoint a new manager, it's about who we appoint. Time after the time we get the wrong man (aka the cheap option).


You don't seem to get it. If you are only giving a manager a few months to build a team, it's been proven at East Fife, that doesn't work. Give the manager time and then judge him. Did the chairman not say that he would be happy to finish mid-table in his first season at Bayview? That is definitely achievable, only 4 points separate 5th - 9th position, so why the hysteria?


Did you hear the forfar coach guy slagging aitchison off last week during the game? have you heard what some of his own players think of him? managers of our opponents are bemused that this untried youth coach has been given the job.

I`m really hoping he turns the teams fortunes around but cannot for the life of me understand why he was even considered for the managers job in the first place.

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Prediction
Nov 8, 2013 - 10:46PM
Re: The case for change

In less than 4 weeks Gary Naysmith will be manager

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Stavros
Nov 8, 2013 - 10:54PM
Re: The case for change

Kojak
Suburban Mr James
Terracing Now!
It's not about when we appoint a new manager, it's about who we appoint. Time after the time we get the wrong man (aka the cheap option).


You don't seem to get it. If you are only giving a manager a few months to build a team, it's been proven at East Fife, that doesn't work. Give the manager time and then judge him. Did the chairman not say that he would be happy to finish mid-table in his first season at Bayview? That is definitely achievable, only 4 points separate 5th - 9th position, so why the hysteria?


Did you hear the forfar coach guy slagging aitchison off last week during the game? have you heard what some of his own players think of him? managers of our opponents are bemused that this untried youth coach has been given the job.

I`m really hoping he turns the teams fortunes around but cannot for the life of me understand why he was even considered for the managers job in the first place.



Hey bro, is that the same Forfar coach guy whose team is only 1 point above the Fife? If you ask me, that Forfar coach guy was being totally unprofessional and I certainly wouldn't want him at Bayview as a coach. It's amazing the arguments being put up by the anti-Aitchison brigade and this one just about takes the biscuit! Was his slagging similar to Kevin Keegan's slagging of Ferguson a few years ago? Who couldn't take the heat and who lasted and was successful? It wasn't Keegan who went on to become successful and I don't think that Forfar coach guy is exactly very successful either, or will be in the future.

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Urban Licks
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:31PM
Re: The case for change

Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.

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BT
Nov 8, 2013 - 11:50PM
Re: The case for change

Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Lol Taxi in a few months we will laugh and shake our heads at this period in our history, they will be selling mugs in the club shop soon, the wullie years lol

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Fifey
Nov 9, 2013 - 12:01AM
Re: The case for change

fifer
Made me smile
There are people on here with "grudges" that are just plain making things up to cause trouble - insiders, or more likely ex insiders. They just don't see the bigger picture that its not all about them or who they have grudge about, its about EFFC. Be proud that people are working hard, that the club is looking good, look to the future and stop havering shite.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would they be insiders or ex-insiders? Why should they not be plain old supporters who call a spade a spade when we sit second bottom of the league, out of all three cups at the first round, lowest scoring record in scotland

"Be proud that people are working hard" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is just hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so proud to be an East Fife supporter. People work hard at East Fife. You would not know how proud that makes me. Football means nothing, it is all about celebrating hard work. There are not many clubs where people work as hard as East Fife. Maybe we will get extra bonus league points for being SUCH HARD WORKERS


See my earlier post regarding "HAVERING" + add " PRICK"

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Nov 9th, 2013 - 12:01 AM
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Fifey
Nov 9, 2013 - 4:46AM
Re: The case for change

Fifey
fifer
Made me smile
There are people on here with "grudges" that are just plain making things up to cause trouble - insiders, or more likely ex insiders. They just don't see the bigger picture that its not all about them or who they have grudge about, its about EFFC. Be proud that people are working hard, that the club is looking good, look to the future and stop havering shite.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Why would they be insiders or ex-insiders? Why should they not be plain old supporters who call a spade a spade when we sit second bottom of the league, out of all three cups at the first round, lowest scoring record in scotland

"Be proud that people are working hard" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA that is just hilarious!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am so proud to be an East Fife supporter. People work hard at East Fife. You would not know how proud that makes me. Football means nothing, it is all about celebrating hard work. There are not many clubs where people work as hard as East Fife. Maybe we will get extra bonus league points for being SUCH HARD WORKERS


See my earlier post regarding "HAVERING" + add " PRICK"


I think I should explain why I resorted to using foul language. It was your mocking of "hardwork" obviously you know nothing of hardwork otherwise you would know that it takes many hours, days, months even years to get fruit from Hardwork. Which im sure will happen at The Fife.

You can't get promoted before the end of the season can you? That's almost a years worth of work for a start including pre-season.


Never laugh at hardwork my friend, some of the lesser skilled people on this planet got to the top by working very hard to make up for lack of talent. I doubt you are one of them.

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Nov 9th, 2013 - 4:46 AM
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Suburban Mr James
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:06AM
Re: The case for change

Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING!

If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' (as managers), when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!

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Noisy crossbar
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:24AM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING! If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!


What level did Atchison's play at again?

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Suburban Mr James
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:29AM
Re: The case for change

And at what level did you gain your knowledge of football management, may I ask?

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newby
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:30AM
Re: The case for change

well said fifey!!!!!!!!!!!

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Noisy crossbar
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:31AM
Re: The case for change

Prediction
In less than 4 weeks Gary Naysmith will be manager


In 7 hours time.

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Noisy crossbar
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:33AM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
And at what level did you gain your knowledge of football management, may I ask?


Where have I said anything about tactics, player selection, coaching etc.?

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Insider
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:34AM
Re: The case for change

Noisy crossbar
Prediction
In less than 4 weeks Gary Naysmith will be manager


In 7 hours time.


I bet you 10 grand he isn't.

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Noisy crossbar
Nov 9, 2013 - 10:37AM
Re: The case for change

Insider
Noisy crossbar
Prediction
In less than 4 weeks Gary Naysmith will be manager


In 7 hours time.


I bet you 10 grand he isn't.


That"s a ladies bet.

Let's make it 100 billion.

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DLA
Nov 9, 2013 - 11:04AM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING!

If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' (as managers), when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!



I don`t think anyone is expecting us to win anything in the first season with Aitchsion in charge but surely its not too much to ask for us to be in a better position than we are at present after 14 games?

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Aw..
Nov 9, 2013 - 11:14AM
Re: The case for change

DLA
Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING!

If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' (as managers), when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!



I don`t think anyone is expecting us to win anything in the first season with Aitchsion in charge but surely its not too much to ask for us to be in a better position than we are at present after 14 games?


..diddums.

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Suburban Mr James
Nov 9, 2013 - 11:16AM
Re: The case for change

Noisy crossbar
Suburban Mr James
And at what level did you gain your knowledge of football management, may I ask?


Where have I said anything about tactics, player selection, coaching etc.?


Exactly! How can you call for a managers head when you know nothing about football management & coaching?

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Insider
Nov 9, 2013 - 11:29AM
Re: The case for change

Noisy crossbar
Insider
Noisy crossbar
Prediction
In less than 4 weeks Gary Naysmith will be manager


In 7 hours time.


I bet you 10 grand he isn't.


That"s a ladies bet.

Let's make it 100 billion.


Okay, but it will have to be a cheque mate. Is that okay with you?

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Tam
Nov 9, 2013 - 11:47AM
Re: The case for change

Aw..
DLA
Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING!

If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' (as managers), when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!



I don`t think anyone is expecting us to win anything in the first season with Aitchsion in charge but surely its not too much to ask for us to be in a better position than we are at present after 14 games?


..diddums.



A bit rich coming from you who has posted under 5 different names on this thread.

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Noisy crossbar
Nov 9, 2013 - 12:16PM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
Noisy crossbar
Suburban Mr James
And at what level did you gain your knowledge of football management, may I ask?


Where have I said anything about tactics, player selection, coaching etc.?


Exactly! How can you call for a managers head when you know nothing about football management & coaching?


Because I know when results are not good enough.

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Aw..
Nov 9, 2013 - 1:10PM
Re: The case for change

Tam
Aw..
DLA
Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING!

If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' (as managers), when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!



I don`t think anyone is expecting us to win anything in the first season with Aitchsion in charge but surely its not too much to ask for us to be in a better position than we are at present after 14 games?


..diddums.



A bit rich coming from you who has posted under 5 different names on this thread.


I wondered how long it would take you to abuse your position as a moderator to stick your neb in? If you think I am naive enough to think that I am the only person to ever do that on this site, then you are mistaken.

I think you need to take a leaf out of Gof's book and use that power in the right circumstances eg linos and cowdungs slagging off the fife, but not against those who are actually defending the Fife. I have noticed in the past how you have abused that power to have a go at others DEFENDING the club you claim to support!

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Dougie Hope
Nov 9, 2013 - 8:18PM
Re: The case for change

Davie Kirkwood would make a difference to the best squad of players I seen at bayview for the last 10 years, its upto the management who they stick with

but I tell you something he will improve that team no doubt about that and wont cost much either .... bring on davie kirkwood xx

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Tam
Nov 10, 2013 - 2:14AM
Re: The case for change

Aw..
Tam
Aw..
DLA
Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING!

If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' (as managers), when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!



I don`t think anyone is expecting us to win anything in the first season with Aitchsion in charge but surely its not too much to ask for us to be in a better position than we are at present after 14 games?


..diddums.



A bit rich coming from you who has posted under 5 different names on this thread.


I wondered how long it would take you to abuse your position as a moderator to stick your neb in? If you think I am naive enough to think that I am the only person to ever do that on this site, then you are mistaken.

I think you need to take a leaf out of Gof's book and use that power in the right circumstances eg linos and cowdungs slagging off the fife, but not against those who are actually defending the Fife. I have noticed in the past how you have abused that power to have a go at others DEFENDING the club you claim to support!


Where am I abusing my power as a moderator? Of course you aren`t the only person to post under various names on this site but for you to post under 5 different names on the same thread must be a record.

For what it`s worth, I have banned or deleted posts from Cowdenbeath or Raith Rovers in the past so don`t really feel that your comment about "taking a leaf out of GoF`s book" is justified.

Tell me,why did you post post under 5 different names on the same thread?

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Aw..
Nov 10, 2013 - 10:21AM
Re: The case for change

Tam
Aw..
Tam
Aw..
DLA
Suburban Mr James
Urban Licks
Keegan, Moyes, Ferguson AND Atchison in the same thread as comparison?
Three legends and a taxi driver. You couldn't make it up.
Some people on here are naive as well as thick.


Some people on here are are quite simple minded & clueless. Can you tell me how these 'legends' fared in their first seasons as managers? I would love you to point out how many managers of any club won anything in their first season as managers and that includes Ferguson. Some of the other so-called 'legends' couldn't win anything in their first seasons with clubs, despite being experienced managers. Look at Mancini, with the largest budget in English football, possibly also in Europe, he won what? Oh yes - That would be... NOTHING!

If you can't understand that none of these managers were 'legends' (as managers), when they first went into management, then you're more stupid than I thought you were!

So get your facts right about the 'legends', licker!



I don`t think anyone is expecting us to win anything in the first season with Aitchsion in charge but surely its not too much to ask for us to be in a better position than we are at present after 14 games?


..diddums.



A bit rich coming from you who has posted under 5 different names on this thread.


I wondered how long it would take you to abuse your position as a moderator to stick your neb in? If you think I am naive enough to think that I am the only person to ever do that on this site, then you are mistaken.

I think you need to take a leaf out of Gof's book and use that power in the right circumstances eg linos and cowdungs slagging off the fife, but not against those who are actually defending the Fife. I have noticed in the past how you have abused that power to have a go at others DEFENDING the club you claim to support!


Where am I abusing my power as a moderator? Of course you aren`t the only person to post under various names on this site but for you to post under 5 different names on the same thread must be a record.

For what it`s worth, I have banned or deleted posts from Cowdenbeath or Raith Rovers in the past so don`t really feel that your comment about "taking a leaf out of GoF`s book" is justified.

Tell me,why did you post post under 5 different names on the same thread?



I think you'll find that some posts were made in jest and a bit of fun by replying to posts from usernames that were linked to each other.

My point about you abusing your position as a moderator, is that you were taking sides as there was no need for you to make the comment. GoF has done that, but only if the posts were out of order or abusive. Were any of my posts abusive, anti-EF or out of order? Also, how do I know that you haven't posted under different names? Maybe you have on this thread, as it doesn't make sense you making your comment about me. Why should it matter, when you know it goes on all the time and is quite obvious?

Your question says more about you Tam, than me.

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Magnum PI
Nov 10, 2013 - 10:55AM
Re: The case for change

Aww, you are a complete and utter bawbag.
Suburban James and Jocky all rolled into one and well found out

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Aw..
Nov 10, 2013 - 11:34AM
Re: The case for change

Magnum PI
Aww, you are a complete and utter bawbag.
Suburban James and Jocky all rolled into one and well found out


Another post deemed not to be abusive Tam? And where did you come from anyway Magnum? First time poster are you mate? C'mon Tam, is he, or is he not?

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Magnum PI
Nov 10, 2013 - 12:22PM
Re: The case for change

Aw..
Magnum PI
Aww, you are a complete and utter bawbag.
Suburban James and Jocky all rolled into one and well found out


Another post deemed not to be abusive Tam? And where did you come from anyway Magnum? First time poster are you mate? C'mon Tam, is he, or is he not?


Abusive?

na, just telling it like it is.

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Davie Clarke
Nov 10, 2013 - 1:28PM
Re: The case for change

Suburban Mr James
Noisy crossbar
Suburban Mr James
And at what level did you gain your knowledge of football management, may I ask?


Where have I said anything about tactics, player selection, coaching etc.?


Exactly! How can you call for a managers head when you know nothing about football management & coaching?


Because after a third of the season has been played we are second bottom of the league with the worst goal difference out of everyone, out of every cup at the first time of asking (should we add up our cup games goal difference too?) and we certainly don't have the second worst squad of talent in the league, do we?

Moyes and Fergie were young managers when they started out. Aitchison is 55 or something. Why has no one given him a job till now if you want to compare him to them? Why has he never been trusted with a managers job until this ripe age until his pal at East Fife gave him a job?

If you are so pro East Fife as you continually say, why do you want to keep a manager that is below par and hindering your club's revolution? Your defence of Aitchison is based on conjecture. His record since starting in management is extremely poor. That's a fact. Davie Kirkwood for example would at least get respect, has experience in management, played top flight and is an EF legend. He might not be the answer but statistically it would be really hard to manage to do worse than Aitchison. It seems only you, Fifey and McNeil want to keep him here even if it is to the detriment of your East Fife. I bet you have your 'we can rebuild for 2014 season'post prepared already when the play offs are out of reach. Yet another wasted season and you wouldn't be overly bothered.

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Me me.
Nov 10, 2013 - 6:21PM
Re: The case for change

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Davie Clarke
Nov 16, 2013 - 5:18PM
Re: The case for change

Bump.
Let's hear Jocky and the club killing cheerleaders. How long does this go on? I actually thought we'd win today. Decent squad, backs to the wall. We'll grind out a win every few weeks but not this week it seems. Nice guy with good sentiments but let's hire a winner. Any managerial cast offs we can get from the other Fife teams who know what they're doing?

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DLA
Nov 16, 2013 - 8:01PM
Re: The case for change

Davie Clarke
Bump.
Let's hear Jocky and the club killing cheerleaders. How long does this go on? I actually thought we'd win today. Decent squad, backs to the wall. We'll grind out a win every few weeks but not this week it seems. Nice guy with good sentiments but let's hire a winner. Any managerial cast offs we can get from the other Fife teams who know what they're doing?


There is absolutely no defence for Aitchison now, and he has to go. I call on anyone who thinks he has to remain in the job or be given longer to give me their reasons why?

C`mon Lee, this is getting ridiculous. I`m loving what you are trying to do at the club but please, please admit that appointing Aitchison as Manager has backfired badly.

This run of results cannot continue.

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Noisy Crossbar
Nov 16, 2013 - 10:54PM
Re: The case for change

Time to act.

Since this thread was started we've exited another cup competition and lost a further 8 points in the league.

The continuing trend is costing us precious points and is damaging the "revolution".

Willies apointment is not working - nor is it going to work

.Action is required. Now.

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Jack Regan
Nov 16, 2013 - 11:53PM
Re: The case for change

Shut it you slags,george poor me a scotch while i figure who done the fife blag cant believe some slags waltzed in dressed as footballers and took the wages undiscovered.

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Nov 16th, 2013 - 11:53 PM
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